E221: Choosing Yourself First with Hatsu Ramadhan | CPTSD and Trauma Healing Coach

Michael: Hey! What's up, Unbroken Nation! Hope that you're doing well, wherever you are in the world. Welcome back to another episode of the Think Unbroken Podcast, I'm here with my guest today, Hatsu Ramadhan. Hatsu how are you, my friend? What is going on?

Hatsu: Michael, what's up, man? I'm glad to be here. Glad to have some fun to your audience, talking all about Think Unbroken. I think it's such a critical conversation just how we think so, let's take where you want.

Michael: Yeah. I love it man, and it's so true, it's applies to career, business, success, relationships, intimacy, everything like, it's so much about what happens in our life as how we think. You and I have connected a little bit, I know a bit about your background and your story and what you've done as entrepreneur, as a father, as so much against the grain of the societal norm. And before we like super dive in, why don't you give folks a little bit of background about your journey and kind of how you ended up where you are right now?

Hatsu: Yes, I mean entrepreneurships, you know some folks, ask is this something anyone can do and I think it is for me, personally I started at a young age at 12, I would sound blow pops out of high school to make some money and I was doing it for fun. But my journey full time into this really started a pivotal decision I had to make was like many of you here I was working a job, right? So going to school, I got a job and we end up having our baby and for paternity leave at the corporation I was that they said you have two weeks. So I had to make a decision if I want to be a present dad or have somebody have some company control my life. So when I was told, I had two weeks, I had to figure out, how can I make money?  So I don't have to have someone control me, have a job control me and I can do what I want.

So that was back in 2014, and we've simply just use the internet, we've used the e-commerce model really to put products in front of people that already exists from major brands. So it's been a crazy journey super passionate about helping people to break free, super passionate about helping people think different and create money from home using this internet.

Michael: Yeah, it's beautiful. And being an entrepreneur really since I was eight years old, but I got legal in business when I was 18 because I was doing some other shit, we've talked about that, everybody knows what's up there. But the truth about it is especially if you live in America, and most Western societies, being able to go and be with your children it's just not going to happen, your Forester, you're tied, and I see some shifts happening, but it's not yet to where it should be. You know, I work for a fortune 10 company at 20 years old and we had to schedule out vacations, like, seven months in advance eight months in advance a year in advance, you couldn't just get sick, you know, you'd get written up, but like we're in high school like, what the fuck is this? And so, then you're in this place where as an adult, you're like, I want to be able to show up in my life and take care of my family and do that and you're faced with this juxtaposition of understanding, something. If you move from your livelihood, it ruins your livelihood, but if you don't move from your livelihood, then it will ruin your livelihood and so you're stuck in this weird place where you have to make a choice.

What was it like for you? Because I know so many people are stuck, but there are paralyzed by fear, right? I wasn’t sure you were. What was that journey? Like, you're like, okay, I want to be with my kid. How did you do that?

Hatsu: Yeah. So first thing that I think is important is personal development it's been involved with my life since Middle School, reading books, having mentors and believe it or not, when the decision came for me it was simple because I had thought about it for so long, I thought about the day that I'd have a kid in what if I'm working at a job and I'm anticipating that they're going to say, no, you can't live this life that you want. So some people say you're playing checkers, I was playing chess. I had already planned to have this conversation, will go exactly how it did and then I have a strategy on what I do when this conversation came up, so it wasn't fear at all and a lot of it started the simple fact that I believed that was possible and I believed it was possible because one, I had studied it and they were little bit about it but two, I attend other people who I was watching who had success.

So couple that with personal development, with mentorship going way that I could have went as if I didn't do anything. And I think that's what a lot of people need to realize is if you just take your first up and show up you already beat half the people, you've already beat half the people just by showing up. So if you can add a layer of it's possible or believe that you can do it really sky's the limit.

Michael: Yeah, that's really fascinating and I agree and so much of this starts with belief in yourself, but I think even folks who still some level have the belief are still paralyzed by the idea of yo, is it going to work? Should I actually try it? There's no parachute, there's no plan B. But that applies to life across the board, we're not talking about just entrepreneurship like, that's easy, anybody can be an entrepreneur, but I think the harder thing about it is and what you understand, and what I believe that I am understand is living life on your terms. How do you really like step into this idea? Like you can live life on your terms, you can have the life you want to have, the family you want to have, the career you want to have, when over here on the other side of the room everybody is telling you you better get in the box and do what the hell we tell you to do and raise your hand if you need to go to the bathroom.

Hatsu: Yeah. Why do you say that we got to get in the box? One of the things I say is don't just think outside the box, create your own. So I think everyone has a story and everyone has to gift. And the quicker, we can become owners; owners of our life is responsible, our life, our future, it's not a blame game, it's not someone else's responsibility, it's our responsibility. So this whole idea of thinking outside the box and creating your own it is really about, you know, what is somebody wanting their life and what I may want may not be the same as you and it may not be the same as someone else and that's okay, but it goes back to really an understanding of redefining success and normal. So the whole reason why came out with the stuff is really to challenge the status quo it's to make folks look from a different lens on is this the life I want or am I living someone else's life? Not only that, we can go deeper and say, is this someone else's painted picture of what success means? So each person's life different, not everyone's a parent, I get that. But what is it in there like what is there in your life that you want? And if we can work backwards from getting the finest taken care of, then we can begin to have different options about how do we do design, this may be for some folks is being a digital Nomad, there's a lot of folks in my space that they take pride in going country to country just using a laptop and a cell phone to make money, someone like myself that have kids, it's not as easy, but that flexibility and option is there, but it also comes with a lot of stress potentially. So there's always going to be ups and downs and pros and cons but at the end of the day, I think, if we're able to control the things that we can control and realize that it will come with some stress and some pressure then we can begin to start designing some, a different standpoint.

One of the things you mentioned was people are telling you don't do this and stay in this box. I think once you start talking to other people who believe what you believe and think like, you think you're talking to a different crowd of people but I agree, there's a lot of people who are telling you don't do it, it's stupid to waste your time, you're going to fail. But there's also the people like me, there's the people like Michael, we're talking to possible they're telling you. What if you took that first step in you did, come on the other side and we need more of encouragement, not discouragement, there's enough people out there telling you what's not going to work, there's enough people out there telling you don't do it. But there's not other one that you're going to meet every single day to come to tell you that you can do it if possible and for you go take a stuff.

So, I'm glad that we're having this conversation about it because everyone, regardless of where you come from, regardless of your background, regardless of the mistakes you made or the succession, that you have a story you have something special. It's your job to get that out to the world, it's your job to share that and maybe help them ago.

Michael: Yeah, and I couldn't agree, it entirely is and more so you may have to do something really difficult in this, which is something I don't think people talk about enough, you might have to take some friends out of your life, you might have to remove some people in your journey, you might have to get an alignment with the people you want to draft behind who you can follow and mimic model and master to have the life that you want to have. And I don't know about you, but I've had to take so many people part of my life and it's not ideal, I don't think anybody wants to but has that been your experience as well as you grow that you've had to like, really identify like, who was your circle?

Hatsu: Yeah, so that's an important part, because a lot of people, so I just like, leave your family alone, leave your friends well, then it's not that, I'm very social networkers, but who I allowed to consume my time is just as important as who, I'm spending my time with. So that this idea that we have to cut people out but I think as you're growing naturally your circles going to change and you can still have your boys from back in the day, but when you're wanting advice in business, I going to go to your boy who still doing the same thing to the going, as your boys back in the day, or going to go to someone who's building something that you say, I could maybe do that. So I think it's just the understanding that knowing we're not saying kick people to the curb and don't talk with it top with them again, but I'm certainly going to challenge where you're spending your time and who you're spending with. And you know, we talked a lot about I think a lot about kind of like who's influencing up here, all right. What are you listening to? What do you read? And it can be dangerous if you're not realizing who's consuming your time and it doesn't have to go to a guilt thing about, yeah, but it's my best friend of, but it's my mom or any other title of relationship you want, it's just, you have to be conscious that if you're going to go from A to B, and the people who are consuming a lot of your timer, influencing the perspectives, are influencing your thoughts, you might have to leave them for a period of time to grow to go to that next level and that's okay, you can always go back to them.

So I don't want to put some sort of negative stigma on this idea that cut people aren't your life, it's just for a season of your life, you're going to have to do things different, gonna have to listen to different people, you're gonna have to do some things with folks. Maybe who you haven't spent a lot of time left for the better, and that comes with maybe not spending most of your time, with the folks who you thought you would be.

Michael: Yeah, I love that perspective. And I often think about this idea of mentors and as a coach and as a mentor and both personal development and growth but also in business, like I even have these people, there are multiple people who I'm like constantly learning from, constantly like being in enamored by even because I'm like damn they've got that thing I've been trying to figure it out, figure it out and so I try to go behind that. I think that especially in as a man talk, other man in this context, there is this huge what I would call misnomer in the nomenclature about how men ask for help in society when it comes to life career, business, family, the whole nine. I look at as help as being like a must it is a catalyst for every great change that I've ever had in my life. How does help if it does play a role in your life and being willing to like put yourself extend yourself into vulnerability and say I can't do this alone?

Hatsu: Yeah, that's a good fun. I think, no one's perfect and we all know that and you know set your pride set your ego aside and it's okay to ask for help and we don't have to call it help. Talk to someone who knows a little bit more than about you, so maybe some people are triggered by help and I don't want to ask for help line, can you talk to someone who's maybe dealt with parenting issue, that has kids older than yours; you don't have to call it help but I think we have to be conscious enough to know that we're not perfect. We also need to be aware enough to be in a place where we can ask for help and that's okay. I've had mentors my whole life who helped me, maybe silently, which I didn't recognize his help but today staying here I'm like, there's reasons why they put me in these environments, there's reasons why they extended these invitations, and it doesn't have to be mask this help but behind it; it's absolutely a way to steer me in a direction for the better and I think that's the important thing about coaches and mentors or teachers or whatever you want to call them is some people can see things and steer you in a direction for your better. And if we haven't walked that path and we don't know it all, which we all don't know what all sometimes follow that what people are planning project, we can call it help, we can call it direction. But I think help is something that everybody has because no one's perfect. And if we're sitting here really listening the same, yeah, I don't need help, you probably actually the one who needs to get help.

Michael: I love that you said that, so true. So who are the mentors? Who are the people in your life that have played this big role and all the impact and what was it that they brought to your life that helped you be on the trajectory that you're on now?

Hatsu: Yep. So the biggest thing that started a lot of my journey was in Middle School I was in a mentoring program and the woman who ran the program exposed me to a lot of things. And, you know, when I look at people's experiences and people's life, a lot of its exposure, what do you being exposed to good or bad? But that exposure gives you a pretty diverse set of blends to filter in your own head with your own decisions in your own thoughts, what you want and decide for that. So that was one of the most impactful experiences that I had as a youth. I was volunteering 100 hours a year as a kid and most kids are sleeping and maybe playing video games or doing other things that was something that became foundational for me, which is in about getting, but it's giving back your time without expecting money. And that stay with me even to this day, which is if we can't give dollars fine, can we give our time to help somebody else? But that exposure alone is a lot of the foundation's on how I operate today. Yes, we want money but if we can't give the dollars or maybe we don't want to give the dollars; your choice. Can we help somebody else look simply our time, with our gift, with our count, with our knowledge, with the information that we have somebody move forward? So that mentoring program, the woman who ran that definitely influence life having a present dead who was my grandfather's my father figure death, may be different and we don't need to go on a bandwagon about participation about dads that aren't involved or a man and a home or not. But for me personally, one of the major reasons watches why I've chosen to be a stay-at-home dad. And for those of you that are parents, it's stressful on this side and the stressful at a job or shuffle run your business. So I've chosen at this point in my life, to take the stress on because it's more important to me than that, being are more important to me to expose my kids to the things that I believe are important to me and in their life to help them be their own independent people. So mentors have been a critical part throughout my whole life from the Middle School up to the college, and even beyond College as began to pay expert for mentorship and help me shortcut things that will slow me down.

Michael: Yeah, I love that. And I think constantly about this idea like it's this concept that came up with and I really just named it the other day, but I've been sitting with me for a while of TEEM, if you want to be involved in creating change in your life, you're going to have to invest Time, Effort, Energy or Money. And if you don't have one, you need to source the other and if you don't have the other source, the other and so on and so forth, tell you start to move towards creating the life that you want to have. And ultimately, and I love what you said about choosing to be a stay-at-home father and taking on that stress. What I'm constantly thinking about is, how much pain am I willing to take on to not have to have the pain of the thing but I don't want, right? And the power that plays. So as you're in this role and as you're crafting and creating your life like because I know that we have, some people who are stay-at-home parents and some people are trying to figure out, how do you like really build your life? And from a structure standpoint mean I don't think it would do much good to dive into like, how to build out Google analytics and stuff like that but more so how do you start to formulate an idea about what you believe is capable for your life so that you can create a livelihood and well-being on your terms?

Hatsu: Yeah. So one of the things that I found with a lot of parents across the board is just this idea that we've lost time, right? Like the day runs away, like you disagree with come to some of the comments that there's like the days gone and the first thing, I think we have to do is first prioritize our time, I'm 24 hours just like you. So we have the first prioritize, our time, which may mean getting up early or staying up late. And as far as kind of creating this ideal life that you wanted the structure that you want, there also comes bounce for yourself. So one of the things that I do a lot as I'll work out hospital, but I also do play, and I don't play all day, but I play when I don't want to work at, don't work and for me, that's important. I'm not saying it's the best thing for you, but for me, it's important because I recognized, when I'm getting burnt out and for me to sit in front of a screen or do other things, I'm not going to be affected then what's the point? Something that could take flowers, taking eight that if I'd recognize that dangles back away from it.

So for the parents were wanting to juggle this life of parenting and making money, building a business whatever they want to do, we got to first get our contact, right? You mentioned in TEEM part of its time So we have to get our time back at the 24 hours Are there, how do we maximize our time? I get up early in the morning so I can be productive in that hour probably get three hours’ worth of work done if I want. But I'm also preparing, like what is the high level stuff I need to get done in that hours and the other stuff does it need to be priority but it goes back to prioritizing your time.

The other thing on top of that which I talked about is we got to take care of herself and too many parents are putting themselves second are you’re on the back burner and catching up. I've had to catch myself a handful of times where it's just go, go, go, go, go and it's exhausting and it comes with stress and you recognize the stress you feel this dress, but it's like yeah, dude, you got to do, but there's a point to where you have to turn that off because it's going to catch up with you, in the form of, you don't feel well, you got to take the time off because something happened or whatever, but I think that's the biggest thing is on your time, but also kind of strategize, what are the things that you need to do not have to do but what are the things that you need to do that are going to help you in your life in your business, in your relationship now, if you go from A to B.

Michael: So what I'm constantly thinking about is if you're in a position, you know, you're like, okay I have a child or a child on the way or, you know, maybe not, maybe don't have either of those things but I want to get out of this corporate thing, I want to get out of this structure in which I constantly feel like I'm do valued, which I feel like I don't get to bring anything to the table which I, you know, my voice is not heard and I want to take that first step, but I don't really understand the process, I don't know how or I'm scared, how do you start to do that? Because I think one of the biggest hindrances and I agree with what you said a few moments ago like, if you take the first step, your light years ahead of everybody else, but you have to be willing to take the first step. I think, one of the huge mistakes people make, however, is taking the first step with no idea of a game plan or what's down the road. So, how do you prepare yourself to step into this position in which you can create the life that you want to have on your terms while understanding like you've never done it before so it's all new?

Hatsu: Good question, man. I think a lot of businesses mindset, 80% of this stuff is what's in your head and there's two sides of it, right? You have the approach where to burned the bridge and roll with it. If you have the confidence in the balls or the courage to do that, go ahead, right? You know, worst-case scenario, is you go back to a job, potentially. There's also the people who are maybe on the more planning side and they're in that phase, where it's let me think about it, let me consider it and days and weeks and years go by. I think the best thing somebody can do, if they're on that side of the fence, whether like, I don't know, I'm not sure, starting a side hustle like you work 8 to 5, 8 to 7. Yeah, plenty of time from 8:00 to 10:00 p.m., 11 p.m. to 12 a.m., 1 a.m. and maybe you don't want to get off work and go work for five hours, but I would challenge you to think if you can work 8 to 10 hours for me or somebody else and you can't commit a portion of your time, 25%, 50% even a hundred percent of your time to yourself maybe it's not for you. And that's not the kind of say you're wrong but if you actually want to do this and you don't believe it's possible, start something on the side, build your confidence up by making your first sale, get your first customer, make your first dollar. Allow that to build confidence in yourself and courage that you can actually do this. Once you start getting some momentum and you recognize that there's going to be ups and downs and you can deal with that emotionally, start have a different conversation, because everyone's coming from a different place, maybe you have a partner who's supporting and has income coming in, maybe your solely by yourself and you quit your job and come zero, you started it, does it work and now you're saying how I pay my other pay morning. Don't put yourself in a bind out of silliness if you know that you can't handle the emotional. And I think a lot of folks want to glorify it is like do this on your own terms, there's an emotional side which ties into mental side where when shit hits the fan, you got to be able to roll with that, you got to be able to stand up and say, what is my next plan either when it sucks and you don't know what to do, And Entrepreneurship we're solving problems of, like figuring stuff out but to say, let's figure it out in the heat of the moment is a lot different than things look good and I've been having a fantastic quarter, fantastic year.

So if you're working at a job, start a side hustle, if you're working at a job and you want to leave the job and you've got some bankroll to support you for 6 to 12 months times, on your side times, on your side to really go into this first one, two, three, six, twelve months as opposed to you working for that job, which is maybe demanding 8 plus hours of your time for several days a week, you know your own situation and I'm not going to tell you the kind of go put yourself in a predicament that you got some bankroll stashed up because your saver. I think you're in a position where you can make these decisions that, maybe somebody normal, or normal thinking would tell, you don't do it but it also comes with you having courage, and the willingness to put in the work to do what you need to do, because no one's knocking on your door saying, hey, submit this or hey, get on a podcast, your control. So if you know that, you don't have that discipline, you're going to face it one time or another. So I think it really depends on where you are financially, where you are emotionally and you being aware and conscious of your own situation when things don't go well.

Michael: Yeah, and I couldn't agree more. And more so also like you have to be willing to understand and I think this applies to life that you may fail in this process, but failure creates these really beautiful data points for what you can leverage going forward. And, you know, I share openly even as a business coach even as someone who in the other part of my life has worked with huge corporations that we all have heard of, I failed my first two legal businesses, they did not work, I made mistakes, but I learned that have helped me project into the future all of the information that I need to create what I want next, but you have to be able to be willing to do that. But that applies to life across the board and I think, unfortunately, so many of us aimlessly suffer because we're terrified of the idea that we can create the life that we want to have. And sometimes for some of us the life that we want to have is on the other side of that desk, not being in that place every single day where we feel like our soul is being sucked, which was my experience working for a fortune 10 company and then like I was on the burn the fucking bridge guy, right? Like, you take the ship out, we burn that, we set it on fire did not come back to that and I haven't since and that was well over a decade ago, that's worked well for me, but before I tried that, it didn't work so well, right? And so I think life is often a series of learning and making mistakes, but it's trusting in yourself that you have the ability.

And I think for a lot of people who have come through hard times, one of the most difficult things that we have to do is try to trust ourselves and try to trust our gut, try to trust our intuition, because the world is often told as like when you do that, it's not going to work. Especially as someone who has a lot on the line, like how do you trust yourself that you're making the right choices for your life?

Hatsu: Well, it's a gut check and I think it comes with repetition. So I hired my first love after getting fired and people would say that's crazy to do this but me writing a check to, somebody has been so normal for me that I didn't think twice about it. What I'd only thing I thought about was am I willing to actually spend the time to get himself and we talked about this feeling, this decision we're making them every day. We know a lot of the times what we should decide now if we do decide that to different but that first initial instinct where it's like, yeah, don't go to that party, don't do this.

Once you get that and you go against, it is when things may come up, so I don't have a special formula to kind of say, hey, here's how you know, but I think the more you can get be aware of yourself and then look at how many times when you make decisions are you on or are you off? Let that guide you as opposed to what someone else is telling you to do. Should I quit this job? You should quit if you got the courage to do what you need to do to make stuff happen. Now, if I say, can you make it happen? And you look up and you think about it. Do you believe it? So, you know, let that guide you is the decision you're making, I look at things as a best case scenario in a worst-case scenario and what's the worst case scenario. If you make this decision because if we know the worst case scenario, is it worth it then on the upside of the best case scenario is to not have a bond, be able to live in foreign countries or be able to garden all day like, is the upside worth it when that decision you make, maybe goes wrong but yet you've already figured out what is the worst-case scenario? And that's how I look at a lot of things, the money stuff, you know, you can always go back to a job if you quit. And, you know, when you said you burn the burgess, I was working at a corporation, didn't get a promotion and after four years, one of the top performers in the company, literally, once I didn't get that promotion once a week, I put a two week notice that I was young, I didn't have kids, I wasn't married, I was just responsible for myself, but we have the stress of having to worry about anyone else and what felt as if I had is why, when I get a job, right? So why wouldn't I get a job? But not only that it's I had some money saved job and the why not go get another job that confidence came from, I'd already done well, in my job, I just didn't agree with me not getting a promotion. So I think, when you talk about these decisions and you think about how do you know? Begin to be aware on, where are you from a base point. Are you typically on or off of you make these radical decisions your these things that people tell you not to be like, man, I'm always wrong? I don't know why I did it. Yeah, I know that's your mindset of, that's the case I think you already know that but at some point you can fix that, you can change that, you can learn to do something different about that. So if you're typically wrong, why are you wrong? Is it because you don't listen information because they're know-it-all? Is it because you had information that you just omitted or yeah, I don't know about that enough like, do that to critical stuff you didn't look at? You only know that.

Michael: Yeah, that's such a great point. And I think if you're constantly in the camp of people going, wow, you made another mistake, you really, really, really need to step into trying to understand what's actually happening and it's that you're not following your intuition, you're not believing in yourself or the more common solution, you're not putting in the work. And that is across the board to everything in life, you have to put in a tremendous amount of work to have the life that you want to have, but it all starts with whether or not you believe that you're capable of doing it because without belief, it's not going to come to fruition. No one's going to Disney moment, your life into you, you're going to have to go and do some hard things, right? What is it that you want to accomplish in the future? What is life for you look like as you head down this path and try to create a life on your terms?

Hatsu: Yeah. So, who are the big focuses that I have is one of showing everyday people and parents that they don't have to choose between making money and raising a family. The other thing is tapped into the youth to show them at a young age we don't have to wait till 16 ago, make money, you don't have to wait till 18 for some of the jobs and go to school and get a job. We can actually start at a much younger age with the right information, the right coaches and guidance to begin to have these ideas of what if.

So I'm super passionate about working with you, I start at 12 years old and I think there's something magical about these youths that are in sixth, seventh grade that maybe they're disruptive, maybe they're not your traditional kid, maybe they're distraction, maybe they think weird, all these other things that we put these labels on. I'm starting to wonder and piece together that if these are the kids that are real entrepreneurs that were masking as troublemakers are kids that aren't focused or all these other things that we put on them and its really giving them these tools to realize that as easy, it is for you to go contra cash, register or wash a car or any of these other things that you do. What if you have the same energy for yourself? And if we built these habits into them, at a young age, to encourage them, and inspire them to show them, what's possible that way, when they go to the world, they're not looking to say, who am I going to work for? Who am I going on and if you're higher than what for me?

So, completely different mindset and I think if we get this into the mindset, especially youth, it is powerful not only that they're learned at a young age that they're in control of their finances than their future, they're not depending on a job, and depending on the government, they're not depending on finishing school getting acceptance and or job or anything like that because they have the confidence in the skill sets that they can go out and create. How did they do that at a young age they started doing things on their own? So that's the things I'm passionate about, you know, working with just everyday people, people who take this out they already have and modifies it, they can share their journey with someone else and help somebody else and on the backside of it, sure made come with some dollars in their bank account, but it's just this idea of you can create what you want, but it comes with work. If you're not want to do the work, you're not want to go to spend anymore.

Michael: Yeah, I love it. And I think that, you know, if I rewind I was the worst kid in school, I mean the worst I mean not only fighting but I was selling drugs at school, I got expelled when I was 15, I mean I was just the worst kind of man I just hated it, I didn't want to be there, didn't make sense to me. And I just think like, if I had some of the tools I have now, then I'd probably be Elon Musk, right? You know, whatever, you get the job, but the point is like, it matters, right? It matters to create change and to create impact in the world. What I'm so curious about is, why does it matter to you? You know, I think a lot of people will say things like that. And what I'm curious about is, why does it matter? Why is this important to you?

Hatsu: It matters because too many people are afraid of it on themselves and a world where religion where we're constantly getting told as people that success look like this. What do you believe? And when you ask people what do they believe some can do, some have adopted other people's beliefs as their own not even aware. So it's important to me because I know that not everyone has to be an entrepreneur but we have to first think like one, and when we talk about options, we talk about choices life's unpredictable but if you have in your tool belt, the ability to create, do you have in your tool belt, the ability to recognize opportunities? When life hits you in the face in your toolbox, you can pull out these things that can help you move forward.

CORONA virus walk a lot of people up, overnight people lost jobs, overnight parents who weren't home schooling or not beaches and in the business that I was in that I am in it was a big opportunity, but the world went out to the masses and said doom life's over, this is bad, oh my gosh attack and it wrecked a lot of people. And I started getting more vocal about this idea of making money from home because in my life, nothing really changed. We call that kids on the school, but nothing ever changed because we've been doing this, so it's just the idea to give people the power that; that about you have to be in business, it's not about investments.

The best thing for you to do is this idea that you have to take power back, you have to own your time back, you have to be in control of your life but for a long time, we've simply given that control and power to somebody to an organization to an entity and normalizer for a long time we idolize nannies and daycares because this is what you do when you have kids. And I'm sitting there saying, I don't understand even if you have all the money, why would you want to have kids? Have a pet if your intention is to put them in daycares, and that somebody else right now? But again, it's not about what's right for me is right for somebody else, but it's just challenging these normal, it's challenging life that we look at it as, Oh, yeah, you're supposed to have kids in put him in daycare and get a name, it's like but why? When reality is we are the message, we are to get we just have to uncover that and take it to the world.

 Michael: Yeah, it's powerful. I think about every day, and you might relate to this, I'm sure you do at least to some capacity. I've had people for, I don't know, the last ten, twelve, thirteen years of my life, be like, you're a workaholic and I go, no, no, no, see the thing, you don't understand is you like to go on vacations and you clock out at 5:00 and you're always working for the weekend and I take time off whenever I want to and that's not gloating, let me be very clear like I've had to earn the ability to do that which many people do and we get caught up in this idea that because I decide to work at 8:00 at night, I'm a workaholic? No, I didn't work at 12:00 in the afternoon while you were I wasn't having my lunch at my desk, I was at the coffee shop around the corner, hanging out with a friend, having a meeting, I was at the gym at 2:00 in the afternoon, because that's what I wanted to go to the gym, I was up at 6:00 in the morning, going on a walk, right?

And that's the thing that people need to understand, do I work more than most people? Yeah, of course, but I'm trying to create a change in the world, but I'm not a workaholic because I don't sacrifice the other parts of my life to be successful, it just comes with the territory. And I love what you said and I like you, too before I ask my last question I want to say this. What you said about the fact that you don't have to be an entrepreneur, but you can use the tools is so incredibly practical because the one thing that I'm always trying to help people understand especially in this podcast is life is about living life on your terms for you, because you want to not because someone else dictated it to you, not because someone else said, this is how you should show up but because you chose to and that's so powerful if I could like make that the magic pill, I'd be a bazillionaire because that's what it's about at the end of the day. Can you live life on your terms? And so I'm so glad that you brought that to the table today. Before I ask you my final question, tell everyone where they can find you.

Hatsu: Yes. I mean, I'm on Instagram @makemoneyonyourterms on your friends, that's my brand. You can also find me on Facebook hops around the month, but the brand's make money terms, it's exactly that at how do we create money to live a life we want. And the guys, have you believe in entrepreneurship, you want to be one, you think about work for you or not, we are all doing the same thing, we're figuring out how to earn money to live their life support a family, going on vacation, feed your dogs, go on mountains, sit and eat with whatever it is, we're all doing the same thing, is there a better way. And I think at this point in 2021, we all know what happened last year during Corona that there is a better way.

Now if you believe it or not, is it my problem, but we know that the old way of go to work and come home for 40 years is the old way but again, it's not to tell you what you have to do but at what point in your life, do you actually want to take back your time or control the life that you have? And it's different for everybody. I go back and forth with this; with friends with family, about why do this, when you can do this, but at the end of the day for some people, it is easier than though you leave work at 5:00, you shall know, it really is. And for other people it's hey, I got to go to the gym at 2:00 today and you couldn't go to such clock in your own tired. Pick your hard pick you want. For me, maybe it is easier to go back to work but the freedom to be able to do what you want is worth the struggle of we're headed with the strap. I could eat at 12:00 when I want to eat at once.

Michael: Yeah, I resonate and I love that you went back to it. Like you don't have to do anything just because either of us say it, you only have to do it because it's what you want to do, that's the thing you have to take away from this conversation today. Life is about you. Money just happens to be the currency of the way that we exist in the world and you can argue that and it ain't going away. So you have to understand that the way that you make money, should be on your terms and I love the brand, I love the idea of make money on your terms because ultimately, that's about living life for you first. Hatsu, my friend amazing conversation, my last question for you today is what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

Hatsu: Unbroken to me is no different than what is normal in each person's going to define it different but when I think of unbroken, we're thinking about as a people, as a human, we're all coming with fragments and things, but to truly be unbroken, means that you can take the hits, you can take what you are, with what you have and use this to begin to fix, begin to put the banners in stop the leaks. Somebody whose unbroken can also be unstoppable and I think that's the magic of it is, you can be unbroken, you could be checked but can you be unstoppable? Can you be the person that wakes up? Gets the hips even when things are good and then when things are bad, we can look at it as it's broke or failed? But being unbroken means, you able to get back up, it means you're able to look things in the face and realize that you have the capabilities solvent. We talked about the two of us, in your tool belt, when things happen, when things are broke. Do you have the ability to stand on your own two feet and know what to do? This critical thinking, this ability to go on a belt and pick out the tool to help you move that one step forward. Some may call it broke, some may call fix, somebody call the bandage, that's the power is knowing what to do in the situation when stuff happens because it will. I think entrepreneurship is one of the best things to have in your tool belt when it comes to helping you stand on your own two feet, use your critical thinking to put yourself in those different, or better position than where you may find yourself today if it's broken or not struggling, or not happy or not or simply want to do something different.

Michael: I love it. Powerful, my friend could not have said it better myself. Unbroken Nation.

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