CHANGE and Break Free From Fear | with Sam Taggart

Michael: Hey! What's up, Unbroken Nation! Hope that you're doing well wherever you are in the world today. I'm very excited to be back with you with another episode with my guest and friend, entrepreneur, Sam Taggart. Brother, how are you?

Sam: So good, dude.

Michael: I'm so happy you're here. Thank you for coming. Thank you for showing up. You and I connected, I was invited out by a mutual mentor of ours, David, to your event in Salt Lake City, and got to see you do the thing that you do. And so, I don't know you from Adam at this point, interacting and connecting with you. And I believe one thing about the universe, like energy tells you the truth about people, and how do I know this? Because when I sucked, I was around people who sucked. When I sucked less, I was around people who sucked less, right? We all suck a little bit, right? But what I saw in you and your energy and what you do is powerful leadership. And this thing about this person who is driven to go, create, do, and build the life that they're destined to have. And that's like the 10,000-foot view. I don't know you right? I don't know you in that moment, but I see that. What's something about Sam that I would need to know and understand to know and understand who you are today?

Sam: I think like the core values in which I operate my life from. So, you know, I'm a high achievement in the sense of I like getting stuff done I like creative, it's another one. So, creativity, experience and alignment and, you know, if you wanna know how to live. So, I just wrote a book, it just launched on Amazon and our website or whatever it's called, the self-experience, and a lot of people know me as the door-to-door guy, sales guy throw conferences and all that stuff, but what they don't know, like behind the closed doors, it's like I'm just trying to live my best life every day. You know what I mean? I think like so many people, they grind, they grind, they grind. And I'm like, but if I'm grinding and I can't live, then I don't like this. And if I'm ever in a place where I can't do the things I wanna do with the people I wanna be with, and when I want to do it, I need to reassess my life. And that's really the alignment piece of just like, you know, am I being an instrument in God's hands? Am I being an ultimate integrity? And I look for opportunities to just create space and opportunity for myself and others to just go experience life in a more fulfilled way ‘cause I feel like so many people are lost and drifting and kind of stuck and I'm like permission to wake up like, let's go. So, it's a big passion of mine.

Michael: Yeah. That permission comes internally though. Here’s the dichotomy of what I'm about to say, I realize like I have built this show, this platform, Think Unbroken, the coaching, the speaking on stages, the writing books. I've done all of this in the hope of showing people possibility, but ultimately it lies within all of us. And I don't know about you, but the person I am today could never have imagined this being who I am, and it was with and creating intention and clarity that I've been able to walk down this path. This is the question I'm gonna ask you is very specific because I think people who perhaps don't know you from the outside looking in will make massive assumptions about your journey. How did you become you?

Sam: That's the book. So, we go get the book ‘cuz I was like whoa, that's a lot to unpack. It's when I figured that Sam's a Sam and I stopped trying to become everybody else. So, I think there's an element of like, so many people try to belong to something and I think that's where we get in trouble is I stopped trying to belong to this church, belong to this team, belonged to this fan club, belonged to this profession, you know what I mean like it's almost like we reattached, because we're seeking validation, we're seeking answers. And I started to embrace the uncertainty, embrace the curiosity, embrace the, maybe not knowing the gray and just being like, Sam's a Sam and Sam's gonna do what a Sam's gonna do. And when I started accepting that and giving myself permission to not have to give answers, everybody's like, well, what do you mean? Like, everybody's is she your wife? Is she your girlfriend? Is she what? What is she? I'm like, all of it. She's just my lover, I was like, we kind of got married, but not like legally on a paper, we throw multiple weddings and we've gotten engaged, I don't know, probably a hundred times. I ask her every day. But she's also my girlfriend like, what do you want me to say? And I think so many people are like, oh, well how do I make of this? And I'm like, whatever you want. I don't care, but I know what it is. You know what I mean? So, like we try to give these explanations and that humankind has tried to give explanations ‘cuz everybody wants to point a finger at something and say that like, I need something to explain it. Hence why we made words that explain something, hence why we made books that try to give you the step by steps. And I'm like, I think life's a little bit more fluid or less step by step, less rigid. And so, I think I've become who I am through a sequence of experiences in life, its compounding, but also just when I started to remember that I have unlimited power. I don't need to belong or attach or have some expectations set on me, and I get to hold the pen and draw out the life that I choose to draw.

Michael: That's the ultimate goal, I think, and it should be for people to be able to escape the matrix, to stand in this life as the person that you choose to be. But dude, it's terrifying.

Sam: It's scary. It's like the Indiana Jones, the leap of faith, you kind of just gotta start walking and hope that trust God and surrender and be like, okay, come with me and the crazy hard stuff that comes at you. Like, let's say you got robbed, it's like and when Christ says like, give him your cloak too, or whatever, right? And it's like, maybe that was just part of the journey like instead of seeing it as like so bad and good, why not just start seeing things as neutral and just being like, it's just what is like, I don't need to sit there and make it either bad or good I just need to surrender and say, this is all part of my path, this is great.

Michael: When we hold on tight, I think about this all the time. If you hold sand in your hand, you just let it be, it will be. But you close your hand, you try to grip it, you try to control it, you will lose all of it. And to me, the thing that I've discovered is you can control what you can control. Let's be very, very clear about that. But the other pieces, the outliers in your life, your story, your journey, the more you try to control variables that you cannot control, the more disastrous your life becomes. Now, I think one of the things that I feared most, looking at this through my own scope and my own lens, is the identity of playing the role of victim, the identity of playing, the role of corporate guy, the identity of playing the role of, you know, six, four, tattooed, dude, like whatever that was those were my identities. Letting go of those identities and just allowing fluidity, which I think is a really beautiful way to phrase this journey, allowing fluidity to be the thing that actually is my life, set me free. However, getting there that in its own right, was a journey, how did you get here?

Sam: Yeah, so I did door to door sales my whole life, which I'm gonna kind of run the analogy of kind of this carnivore hunter, 1099, entrepreneur type worlds, and it helped me cuz I think a lot of people take the W2 route like I sold curbs through high school, then I did alarm sales in Texas, then I did solar sales. And so I've always had to eat what I kill and then I started to realize life is much more that way than you think in all aspects whether it's fitness, family, relationship, like, whatever it is. It's like every opportunity you want and to get to me where I'm at, where I've got a lot of money and have a good life and have a cool couple businesses and is being willing to go knock the door. It's just going to be and say, I wanna start a company, I'm gonna go knock the doors and figure out how to go start the company. Or I want to go build an app, I wanna go knock some developer’s doors and figure out what, which ones are good, and sell 'em on discounts and pay 'em and figure it out. Right? Like, I'm a resourceful human. I think a lot of times people are like, oh, how did this successful become successful? But they don't see, they see the highlight reels like we see the ESPN top 10 plays and this and that, but they're not showing the workouts that these guys are doing day in and day out in the gym twice a day. And they're just like showing the sweet dunk or the sweet touchdown pass or whatever, right? And I'm like, I keep knocking doors every freaking day, I'm constantly out there grinding and saying, hey, how do I go create the life that I want? And then find equanimity in like an equilibrium essentially between that like achievement where I'm like, I'm gonna go freaking chase after some awesome goals and do some cool things like writing books or selling big clients. Like yesterday we made a ton of money selling in this conference and it was like, that was a goal of mine, I was like, I wanna hit this number but I've been chasing that for a while, you know what I mean?

There's the element of alignment where I've watched myself get down the wrong path, and so that's taken some cool pivots where I've gone through a divorce and I've had, you know, lost hundreds of thousands of dollars with the wrong people and partners and had the moments of trials and just smacked down, you know what I mean? Like everybody else, like a lot of people look at me and they're like, oh, you're the privileged white kid that grew up in Park City. And I'm like, no, my parents didn't gimme sh*t like, yeah, I grew up in a really cool environment that was not the typical grew up in Brooklyn, in the Bronx and had no money like, but my parents had to teach me how to work and then I had to go through life's experience to get where I'm at. I think a lot of people get handheld to a certain point, and then at some point they get like dropped off and then it's like, oh crap, I gotta, like, I have to do some stuff. And I think that school of hard knocks that I went through my whole career gave me that resilience of getting knocked down, getting back up again, getting knocked down, getting up back up again and just that resilience nest taught me how to go achieve what I want.

Michael: I had the honor of getting to meet your parents at the event that you held. And I asked your dad a question, I don't know if you know I did this or not. I asked your dad a question I said, why are your children so successful? And success is relative, right? Let's be very clear about that. And he said, because I let them fail.

Sam: Yeah. He was the guy that was willing to be like I remember buying my first house. My dad was a broker, and I'm like, hey dad, can I use your brokerage and just keep the commissions and buy a house and he's like, no, well, will you co-sign on the loan? No. He's like, call a realtor and let them get their permission and it'll pay for itself because if you get a good realtor, he is gonna find the right deal and negotiate, pay for himself. I was like, well, and I had to go find a realtor on the internet, ended up getting hosed on the realtor. He lied to me a bunch, a bunch of stuff, and I kind of got into a bad situation on my first property, I was like, damnit. But then I'm like, okay, I went through that and I was resourceful and I figured out how to get financing without having I was a 1099, needed two years of tax returns like I had to figure out how to go get my first house where I watched parents today afraid to let their kids fail. And I'm like, thank you like I literally sent them a message three days ago and said, I really appreciate like how you just held space, watched us get our faces kicked in, and then loved and loved and loved us regardless, you know what I mean? On the winds, they love us and on the dark moments, they loved us and it was always love.

Michael: That's powerful. You know, being a father, having a family, what is something that you thought parenting was that it actually isn't?

Sam: Okay, so I've had this moment of like, I thought parenting you see why parents kinda get depressed as the kids move out and they get so sad, it's so this and it's like, ah, they don't love me anymore. And I kind of had, that was the mentality of like, oh, like I'm their parents like forever, you know, and I am, I'm their dad like that won't ever change biologically I'm their dad. But I think, as I've grown up and got a different relationship with my parents, I'm realizing we are all souls just in different timelines and I just happen to steward these kids and I'm just have a responsibility over these kids for a short period of time in this whole eternity, right? And I'm putting them through a journey that's really small journey in comparison to their entire timeline, like their lifetime, let alone eternity and I just have to do a good job to hold space for them. But once they grow up, they're like, even now, they're their own souls through their own journeys and I don't control that, and I don't own that, I'm just holding space. And a lot of times I'm insecure like I look at my dad right now and I'm like, he needs love, he needs encouragement, he needs guidance, vision, challenge even though I'm how many years younger? And I'm like, we get insecure, we get intimidated to, we had a couple of our clients', parents and our employees' parents come to this conference. There's a 77-year-old dude there, there was an 80-year-old dude there yesterday. And I'm like, they're probably looking at me being like, who's this like weird little kid jumping up here on the stage and like blowing minds? And I'm like, they're looking for support too, just cuz they're 60 years old doesn't mean they got it all figured out. And we make assumptions of our parents and we make assumptions of our kids and there's a reason why Christ was always like, hey, be as a little child because they got things way more figured out sometimes than we think.

Michael: Yeah, I think about that all the time, I don't have children, but if slash when I do, the one thing that I always sit in is like, let them be humans because they are going to, and what I love about kids have no filter, so they'll say whatever the f*ck they want.

Sam: Which in my opinion, is permission for us. Does that make sense? It's like, why do we dance around insecurities being like, hey, your fat, like, a little kid comes up to a guy and he is like, why are you so fat? The guy probably needed to hear that like, no offense, but like, does he want to be fat? He probably isn't happy being fat? But we're like, ah, I don't wanna wanna piss 'em off and this world's too brittle but kids are unfiltered, they're unapologetic, they're emotion, we get taught our whole lives to be like be postured and poised and don't show emotion and be so hard when it's like kids are feeling and we forget to feel like, I forget to feel sadness. But kids will cry and they'll feel sadness. I forget to get angry when I get pissed off ‘cuz I'm like, oh, okay like lose my temper. I'm like, but they lose their temper and they get angry and I'm like good for them. Life's meant to have feelings of emotion like the lessons you can learn from a kid is endless and it is you're like, they just have life so simple, you're like, yeah, but maybe we just overcomplicated it and we should probably go back to being simple.

Michael: Dude. A hundred, that is such a great point. And I agree with you like I remember when I was, because I was morbidly obese, I've shared it many, many times on this show. People may know of David Goggin’s and he talks about looking in the mirror and be like, your fat. And I'm like, that's a f*cking hard truth but it changed my life when I was willing to acknowledge it.

Sam: It's like you can either accept it or not it's like, but the kid's gonna just say it how it's.

Michael: Yeah, exactly. And kids also, what I think is really fascinating is, and I think if we can be more childlike, we can remember that we can still chase our dreams. Most of us feel so trapped, just so trapped in this idea. And the idea is like, get the wife, get the kids white picket fence, enjoy the middle class, die. And I remember distinctly being a child and always feeling to myself growing up, homeless and in poverty I mean, I had to steal food to survive, I lived with strangers, like the list goes on and on and on, it was just pure freaking chaos for me as a kid. And for me, what happened is I got the resiliency of being like, f*ck it like that is my superpower, Sam. I'm like, f*ck it. Let's see what happens. I mean, I've spoken on stages in two people and 10,000 and people are like, how do you do that? Aren't you scared? I'm like, every day in everything I do, constantly. Just speaking out of it in this past week, 400 people in the room terrified, but I'm like, and? We're scared all the time, as kids, we fall off our bikes, we skin our knees, we bang our heads, we jump off the roof with a freaking trash bag thinking we can fly. And as adults, we get indoctrinated into fear. Don't do it. I wouldn't do that if I were, how, dude? How many times have you heard I wouldn't do that if I were you?

Sam: Oh, so many times, and I have to be really conscious as a parent because as much as we say, hey, like we have to retrain our language, we have to retrain us with our parents like, oh, you can't, oh, that's not possible. Oh, don't do that. I wouldn't do that. And like you just said f*ck it. And you're like, well, why not? And I kinda had a chip on my shoulder like I was the competitive, like rebellion, I was always at the principal's office. I was always helping like I was just the class clown; you know? I was like whatever. I hate rules, like even today, we whipped out a table and put it out in the middle of the pool and we're like, that's it.

We have to be really conscious as parents because are we reconditioning the kids and taking the gift that they have, which is this abundance, this creativity, this big thinking and are we limiting it and are we conditioning? Are we the problem? And I think the problem is we have a parenting problem is because we stick video games in their hand and we're like, oh, just consume sh*t and we stick bad belief systems because of our insecurities and we didn't have it made. So, we're not all put together so then we program our kids not to be put together. And it's like, well if they, if we can't, then they can't. And so, it's like, hold on, careful when you say like, don't, and you can't, and you wouldn't do that and you're like, wait, what if they did?

Michael: Yeah. Jordan Peterson has a phenomenal line in one of his books. I believe it's the 12 Steps and he says, it's effectively let children fail. If they're playing safely you don't have to always rescue them, you don't always have to save them. I'm paraphrasing, because I can't remember the quote off the top of my head, but I think that we play it safe too often as an adult. I mean, even like you're in a position where you've been able to create success, you've been able to build life, you've been able to do something that you've felt within you, and then it's like what happens? I see this all the time, dude. I have rationalized in my journey this concept of a 37-year plan and what that means is no matter what I do, I will still be 37 years away from my goals because they're always changing, always evolving, I've removed time I've made it a non-negotiable in the equation like it doesn't matter, it's like just keep moving forward. How do you continue to step into curiosity? How do you continue to keep growing when most people would be like, dude, shouldn't you be comfortable? Like, you're good, like you're the door guy, why would you even bother?

Sam: Why break into other things. Like, I'm literally recreating all the time and it goes to your book. I haven't read your book, but I'm assuming the concept of Unbroken. And so, I have a nonprofit called Street Smarts and it's helping educate youth and children how to start little door-to-door businesses, like curb painting, lawn mowing, window cleaning, car detailing, where they'll go and knock and they'll make money right now, that's how I got my start and I was like, me getting my face kicked in over and over again was breaking me but the reality is it was building me. And so, you hear the, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and there's a book called Anti-Fragility or Anti-Fragile and it's a great one. And I'm assuming similar in line of, we're one of the only things to exist that the more you break us, the stronger we get. So, if you're like, the world is a brittle place because it's too afraid to get broken, and it's too afraid that it's dancing on eggshells all the time because it's nervous, it's gonna hurt somebody's feelings, it's nervous, it's gonna break something, it's nervous it's gonna piss somebody off and too many people are afraid to take an opinion. And so, you're like, wait a minute, if I don't jump off the cliff, if I don't risk, like take snowboarding, if I love snowboarding, if I don't practice a 360 and know that I have to try the 360 and I'm going to fail my first few times and I'm gonna get hurt my first few times, I'll never ever be able to do a 360. And then I'm like, oh, cool, I can consistently do 360’s, all right, now let's do seven twenties and then I'm gonna get hurt, I'm gonna fall in the first couple seven twenties, but I'm never gonna be able to do seven 20 s until I've tried in the seven twenties. Does that make sense? But it's gonna come with some pain ‘cuz falling on a big jump's not fun. But I look at, when I broke my  arm in my pelvis and I was in a wheelchair for three months in high school, I'm like, that's my fun story I like to tell. I look back on that time and I'm like, yeah, I learned how to do Ruby's cube balloon animals and crochet. For me it was what a fun time, I broke myself but guess what? Now I got a sweet scar to tell and its cool story and not a lot of people can say that crochet. I think we should embrace the breaks because that's what's gonna create opportunity, that's what's gonna create resilience and that's what's gonna tell, build us into the characters in which we are.

Michael: People share the highlight reel. We talked about this, the top 10, the five home runs in one day, right? How do you handle the failures? Like, because you and I both know this as entrepreneurs, I've been its oddly enough we have a commonality like I made my first money knocking doors as a boy scout. And then it turned into, because of the circumstances of my childhood stealing candy from the big lots on the third corner of 30th and Georgetown and Indianapolis walking around, knocking on all the doors of my neighborhood, selling candy and selling the candy. A hundred percent profit margins, by the way, I don't advise it, but that's what I had to do to survive.

Sam: Dude, there's other ways to do that. I have a friend, I don't have a friend, but anyway, know this girl, and she'll go get free cats on KSL and like Craigslist. And then she resells 'em and she just takes better pictures.

Michael: The cat arbitrage game.

Sam: That's hilarious, arbitrage. There's ways to make money doing it there for free and ethical.

Michael: Well, we didn't have Craigslist when I was a kid either. Right? But my point is like, in that journey and in that process, I learned resiliency, I learned how people would say no, even how mean people could beat to little kids. And I also learned like sometimes man, the successes would feel really good. You remember the first time somebody would be like, yeah, I'm going to give you an extra $10 and you're like, this is the greatest experience of my life.

Sam: You called that ball bonus.

Michael: And you get that moment. But here's what happens, they start to become fleeting as you become an adult because the goals are bigger, the mountains you have to climb are much more treacherous and dangerous. And the falls, the spills, man, they're set of three months, maybe it's nine months in that wheelchair. How do you handle that man? ‘Cuz you're failing at bigger levels now.

Sam: Yeah. I've had some investments go bad, I've had businesses crash, I've had tons of money go into one thing and I just never go anywhere. I've had partnerships fail. I've had to fire people. I've had, you know what I mean, like lots. And the first step would be just don't consider 'em failures consider 'em lessons.

Michael: Yeah. But how do you reconcile that though?

Sam: Yeah, but it's an attitude. So, it's like when sh*t hits the fan, it's funny, like I was getting sniffed and they're sitting there cauterizing, my ball s*ck, and I just start laughing and he is like, why are you laughing? I was like, I don't know. I just like, I know this s*cks and it's hurting, but this is a weird reaction, dude, nobody sits there and laughs. Well, their balls*ck gets fired up and I'm just like, and I'm like, but it's funny. You know, and I just have to take this reframe of like, let's think about this objectively, I'm sitting here on a table, this chick comes in and fluffs my sack, and then all of a sudden, this dude starts firing up this like torch flame thrower. And I'm like, lying there like, and I was like, but I could have looked at this thing that's like, what am I looking at? The glass half full glass, half empty. And I'm like, but it's five minutes of fell for a fricking lifetime of freedom. I'm like, so I just start laughing, I'm like, how many people come in here and go, you play with their balls all day? Like that's what he does, right? So, that's a little analogy, right? But I'm like, when sh*t hits the fan, you get to take a decision of how you perceive it. If you're, the woe is me and I'm playing this victim and it all somebody else's fault and sh*t like you get hit by a car or whatever you like I got, I broke my pelvis in high school and this is how I'm wired, I didn't say like, oh sh*t, I'm in a wheelchair for three months during ski season, basketball season have to go get homeschooled. I literally can't go downstairs ‘cuz a wheelchair doesn't go down my stairs. I learned how to crochet, do balloon animals in a Rubik's cube. Does that make sense? What skills, what opportunities do I have in this scenario now? And I remember my parents, and this as is vivid, it was like Sam never complained. Then all of a sudden, I go back to school and I'm in a wheelchair, I'm the kid in the wheelchair. And I was like, who wants to gimme a ride to class? We'd show up 30 minutes late to class every time. He'd be like, the elevator, you know, broke again. And he'd stand on the pegs on the back and we'd be doing wheelies down the freaking hallway, making this fun and then I'd find a dude in a wheelchair and he is permanently in wheelchairs, like a jazz game. And I'd be like, let's go. I was like, I'll be the cool guy in the wheelchair. But like your circumstance is your circumstance, it's what you do in the perception in which you play in your circumstance, whatever that is, is up to you and that's how you make it the most of every moment.

And so, like people ask me, well, I don't wear a watch. You've got all these tattoos. So, I can't focus on one, it just looks like a bunch of ink. I only got one, it's right here. Right? And people, it says now, and so I'm like, well, what time is it's now? And I can go on like, you know, back in my old days I used to show ski sheep, skin oven in mountains, and I can always be living in the past where I could be like one day, one day, one day, or I could be like, right now my legs are broken and I have, you know what I mean? The thing sucks and I just got screwed out of millions of dollars or whatever the thing is. Now what? Does that make sense? Like the opportunistic, being able to live in the present, not in the past, not in the future and I call that what I call that the “ease” line. So, what is and just playing the ease line? And the more we can find the ease line, the happier we'll find ourselves.

Michael: Yeah, I love that. One of the things that I do when I go to restaurants, you know, you put your name on the list, you put the time. I put now. I have no idea why. I have no idea where that came from, I remember one day I was just standing in line getting ready to go to this restaurant in Portland and they had a list like 20 names in front of me like we knew it was gonna be a while, but it's Portland dining and it was a really nice restaurant and we were like, let's just wait fine, whatever. And I put the time and I put now. And I remember my friend got mad at me and they're like, why would you do that? I was like, ‘cuz what time do you think it is? And that's what I think about every single day like depression is being focused on the past, anxiety is being focused on the future. And it's like those things don't matter ‘cuz they don't actually exist. As you continue to move forward, you build life, you're trying to effectively elevate and become the next level of you. How do you know if you're going in the right direction? Because I think this is one of the p places people get most lost.

Sam: That's a great question. Alignment is one of my values. And so, if you ask yourself with the decisions you're making, do they check in with my higher emission, purpose? Are they self-serving or are they inward or outward? Is it going to reflect a one year, a five year? You know, I always look at like, how is this gonna impact me five years from now? If I go down this path and then I look at the compounding element. So, take like porn, I used to have a porn problem, right? And it was like, you think of like the impact of your emotional dopamine, your love making, your relationship, and the insecurity. And now I'm like, I'll even look at a chick on Instagram too long, and I'm like, I'm so sorry like, you know what I mean? Because I'm like, that's gonna open up this and it's gonna live a little leeway, and then it's gonna open up this and it's gonna open up this, and then it's gonna go down this path and it's gonna take away that connectability. So, now I've started to just be some impeccable integrity and say, how do I live my life so congruent to where I'm not like, ever grammatically gonna call in sh*t. And people are like, we have it so easy, I'm like, because I protect my karma like no other's business. And I make sure I spread love, think love, have faith-based things, not like fear-based all the freaking time. And if I go down a path of fear, I go down a path of gray lines. I go down a path of wrong relationships with bad people. I'm like, get the right people around you to call you and put you in check which that's why I'm my Chief Alignment Officer, that's when I call Dee and I'm like, keep me in check and I'm not afraid of the feedback and make sure that we're staying on this path because it's clear as day where we want to go and we're gonna help and impact as many people as we can on this planet, that's why we're here with the lighthouse.

Michael: Yeah. I love that. You have to have that. It's funny, one of the tattoos, I literally have a lighthouse right here on my arm because I believe in that so much. Be the light, be the guide, be the person that you're capable of being live in integrity, honesty, self-actualization, truth leadership, those are my values.

Sam: Yeah. One of my mantras is, where's the Christ in you? Christ was a couple thousand years ago, that would've been dope walking around with him, but like, where's that in? You Like be the Christ in your environment, whatever that environment is and what's your legacy language that you want to leave just like he left.

Michael: Yeah, we all have the power, we all do, that's really beautiful man. First, thank you for being here, brother. I appreciate it. I know you're in the midst of just the most chaotic week but thank you for showing up I know this is gonna help people, also want to thank you for being the first person in 700 episodes of this show to ever say balls*ck, it means the world to me. Before I ask you my last question, can you tell everybody where they can find you?

Sam: At the Sam Taggart on Instagram or taggartxperience.com or I don't know, on YouTube just look up Sam Taggart pop up.

Michael: Yeah. Amazing. And we'll put all the links in the show notes. Guys, go to thinkunbrokenpodcast.com. Look up Sam, this episode for these links and more. My last question for you, my friend, what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

Sam: I think, unbroken would be, I'm assuming, the opposite of broken, which essentially people think, you know, I've been broken, meaning they've been impacted by something. So, it's taking away the impact that things and circumstances and people and words and choices make on you. So, when you can unbreak yourself, it would be releasing those chains of all circumstances on you and realizing that you're not attached to anything and saying, I am me and my body's only a vessel, you could cut my arms off, it doesn't change the soul. And so, it's like the inner soul would be the thing that could only really, really start to allow people to unbreak themselves because the vessel is just carrying that soul. And so, it's the practice of saying, I am not subject to any of this. I am in a complete control and it's more a frame of mind than it is, or a frame of perception and choice than it is a circumstance physical thing or financial outcome or whatever that is and it's just a frame in which you actually live your life.

Michael: Brilliantly said my friend. Thank you so much for being here.

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