E372: Kiri-Maree Moore - How to set yourself free | Trauma Healing Coach

Michael: Hey, what's up, Unbroken Nation! Hope that you're having an amazing day wherever you are in the world. Super excited to be back with you today with my phenomenal guest Kiri-Maree Moore, who is a global innovator changemaker leader, a person who I'm like, damn, let's go. Kiri-Maree, how are you my friend, what is going?

Kiri-Maree: I am awesome, and thank you for that intro. Here on the gold coast where I don't normally live in Australia, I'm usually in Sydney when I'm based at home. But I'm looking out at the beautiful water and enjoying every single breath of air that we get to have each day.

 Michael: I love it. That's beautiful. I wish we could all spend a little bit more time having that moment of embracing the moment. For those who don't know you, tell us a little bit about your background, what you have going on and, and how you got to this moment here today?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah, so I've not always had the most perfect background, right? Like where you go, I wanna be just like here. So, let's just be clear on that, firstly, and because of that, and it was tricky and there was a lot of pain in it. I figured that I could either stay in that or try and work out why do some people, no matter what they're given, no matter what turns up, whether they're brought in an amazing environment where, you know, they have all the access tool, education, amazing family life, why do some of those make it get amazing results and then others don't. And then on the back flip of that, why do some that have nothing are able to still achieve a lot. And I worked for a long time with young people and I loved it. We put on amazing programs and it was awesome when I was there. But what I realized was I was band aid the problems, we were never getting to the root of it and actually disrupting that pattern to get something different at the table. And so, that kind of began my work and then of course, as a journey in who I was, where I wanted to go in life, I had to figure out, okay, so I wasn't all given it on a platter. What do I do now to bring change? And that's kind of me and I get to work now with amazing leaders across the globe. You know, really helping them to look at okay, so we see the problem, what is the solution that we can bring? And I love working with pioneers and innovators in cutting edge that are willing to do it different.

Michael: Yeah. And I think doing it different is so required because getting us to the point that we're at right now, in whatever capacity of life, community, social, obviously isn't working that well. But I think that there's, that phrase dare to be different. And when I think, and I hear things like this, you know, I always get tied up in this idea of how often fear paralyzes people. And this was my experience too, if I rewind my life 11, 12 years, you know, on paper, it looked great, but I was terrified of the potential that I had to be the person I am today. Now, the Michael sitting in front of you at this moment is the realization of a caricature of the idea of the person I thought I could be cuz one day I sat down and I wrote down, this is who I am and I started moving towards that. But even in that, I had to face this immense amount of fear, knowing that our backgrounds often dictate our future. And I had to break through that, I had to dare to be different to create massive change in the world, but I had to start with me. What's it been like for you? Cause I know everybody faces fear and anytime I hear someone say, I am not scared of anything, I go, you're the most scared person I've ever met. So, how do you step into fear to become this moment where you're like creating an impacting change in your life and by proxy in the world?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah. So, let's understand fear gripped my life for a long time, it was a huge play in how I turned up, what happened in life, what I didn't do and what I did do. And so, I knew I had to kind of master this and it became something that I really focused in on to the point that one of the things I feared was failure because you gotta understand when I failed, there were huge consequences to my failure. And so, you began to build this sort of DNA in your body, I call it your decision DNA that my default system was never to fail. So, I became a perfectionist, I had everything right, it had to look a certain way and that was where I got the control from it.

So, I had to learn if I was to grow and to be able to do the things that I get to do today that I needed to learn to embrace failure and I thought that okay, for a year, I'm gonna embrace failure that was my new year's resolution. A year and a half later, I began to actually learn that failure was something that I could develop, something that I could learn from, and that they weren't failures that were stepping stones in where I was to go next. And I think that has been my thing when I learned that in such an area that had such a group of my life, I realized if I could do that with those other areas that, you know, lots of people say don't focus in on your weakest spots, but having been in the fitness industry. I studied a lot around nutrition and health and I realized that every single one of us has an individual plan that we need to be working on. And if we don't work on those muscles, it affects the rest of our ecosystem. You know, who we turn up to today is no different to that and I think that was my biggest fear was, if I fail me, then I fail to turn up, to give to the world what I'm meant to be here for. And, you know, if there's any time that fear comes in my life, I go, what is it I need to now work on. I'm not as scared of it like I was, I'm not going, oh, I can't face it. I go, okay, let's face it, what do I need to do? What are the things I need to put in place to exercise that muscle so that becomes now a strength in my ecosystem.

Michael: It's really fascinating to me because I measure fear as data. You said stepping stones, I think that can parlay. And when I'm looking at fear and failure, particularly I go, look, you're gonna make mistakes. And as a reformed control freak, let me tell you this. And I'm curious of your thoughts here, the most clear way I can describe what it's like to step into freedom is letting go of the things that I can't control and accepting the things that I can. And in doing that, created this beautiful precedent for me to step into this understanding that, you know what, along this way, it's gonna be bumpy, but often what I find, and especially in coaching and speaking and traveling the world and doing a lot of things that have done, there are people paralyzed by this idea of shame and guilt and judgment about the fear of failure that someone else will see them trying and that they will fall and that people will point and laugh. So, how does one navigate that aspect of really not only human consciousness, but society?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah. And I think there's a lot to be said about the society in which we live in. Right. And how that dictates if you let it our destination. And I think that it comes down to this thing we have to know who we are, what we are about, and we need to get strong in that so that we can bring, and it doesn't matter what we bring to this world as long as it's adding value. For me personally, when I was able to go, Hey, this is not about what Michael's meant to do in life, it's not about what George is meant to do, Maree, this is what Kiri-Maree is meant to do. And when I could figure out what was that, and by the way, it's always evolving, it's never, that I've reached my destination, but what I love about it is it gives me clarity and certainty in an unknown pathway forward. And that kind of excites me now. So, where things like fear in my default system became a thing that, you know, I was fearful because of failure, I was fearful because of if I did something wrong that I would let someone else down, those things now become kind of exciting for me. Okay. So, what is it that I'm scared of? What if I was able to do that? What would that now mean for me and for others that I get to serve? And I think that's been the amazing and the learning ground for me on it is instead of ignoring it, letting it sort of faster and get worse in your life, it's like, okay, hit me with it. And then the other side of it is, and I think that this is so important is to be prepared, right? We don't go into battle going, okay, I'm just turning up today at the front line of war and hoping that I have the skills, the tools to be able to do it. And I think life is no different to that, how we turn up is no different to that. Sometimes we need to work on those skills, those tools, a little more to be able to build the mental toughness, to do the next level. And so, that's why I think it's really important, we are constantly evolving.

Michael: What do you think about this idea? And I've heard this in passing and maybe it's just the structure of society right now in which mental toughness is not getting as much support as it should, where people go, well, maybe don't push yourself, don't try so hard, don't do things to make your life better, just be okay. And to me, and this is my opinion, every time I hear someone say…

Kiri-Maree: And you know what, I’m sorry, I interrupt, I immediately started and they're out, but I gotta say, I immediately think, here we go into our excuse because often it is okay for us to stop for a moment, but we stay there and that's where it becomes an excuse or we go, yeah, you know what? I can't do it because of this. And so, we let our limitations stop us, or we go, you know, this has happened to me or this person is doing this. And then we let our butts take us.

Michael: How do you differentiate? So, here's an interesting concept I've been playing with in my own life recently, when I really created massive change in my life, I said, well, Michael, what do you want to do to have the life that you wanna have? And I said, no excuses just results. And that became this precursor for so much of my life. And now I've been thinking about this idea about, am I taking care of myself or am I taking it easy on myself? Have you ever had this thought and if so, how do you differentiate so much?

Kiri-Maree: So much so, and I'm really glad you're bringing this up because I think it's a really important thing and it goes back to what you said around the mental toughness. Here's the thing, if we think of ourselves, not just, this is me turning up in my personal life, this is me turning up in my professional life. We have to think just as we do in business, just as we do and everything else, we have to think of things as an ecosystem. You are an ecosystem. If you work at your top speed the whole time, is that sustainable? Absolutely not. There are moments and I think even more so in these days that we are living in, in what society is feeding us, that we are needing to learn how to create moments, to have moments where, whatever that is that refuels you for me, it's looking at water, for me it's walking on the sun when the sun rises and when the sun sets, for me it's getting exercise it might be punching out and getting that out of me, it may be reading an amazing, inspiring book, it may be just having a conversation with another amazing person like yourself. Those are the moments that have to refuel, it's different for everyone. Just like if I go back to their exercise, not everyone can go at the full capacity as someone else for the same time that someone else can do it. So, we can't expect us as humans to function like everyone else. So maybe you need more sleep, maybe you need to stop in your day and breathe a little more and take time to do that, maybe it's things like you need to get out there and take more time in your day to go and exercise because when you exercise, you get away from everything else and you just spend time with yourself or having a conversation with someone else or listening to an amazing podcast, whatever it is, right? Those things become more important. So mental toughness is not always about, you've gotta do this and you've gotta get to the next thing, there is a discipline to it, and most people don't like discipline. I love it. I think it's a phenomenal thing to put into your ecosystem and your decision DNA. But here's the thing you've gotta get good at your yes’s, but you've gotta get good at your no’s as well. And know what you are about and know what you are not about. And I think if we think about society and this kind of concept, we have been so used to life and everyone else and social media and things like that, telling what to do. And this is where I always talk about exercising, your muscle of human intelligence. I believe the data we put in how we do, and what we do with that data and then the output of that data is your human intelligence as humans. I believe we need to get smarter, to think smarter and to think for ourselves and to strategically put some things in place that are gonna help us as humans to turn up and be the best we're meant to be. No, that's not you, that's not everyone else, that's not what social media tells us. What are you meant to turn up today and be the best today?

Michael: I love that. And one of the things that comes to mind here is, when you think about the capacity that someone has to make meaning of who it is that they are, that's often informed by the experiences that we've had. And if you believe it's true, which I do that we are the sum total of all the experiences that we've had to this moment, then that would mean that everything that's ever happened in our life till right now makes us who we are. That said there are some people who, when they're going through this human experience, they're coming into it being enmeshed, being groomed, having trauma, having abuse, having all these things that thus create what I would dare call faulty programming. And then you're faced with this understanding of what your personal worth is based on someone else's narrative. And now you've arrived at this moment in which someone's sitting here listening to this right now will go well Kiri-Maree, that's all fine and good. Great. I've heard that a million times, but that thing happened to me, which now has forced me into this position where I'm terrified to be the person I believe that I'm capable of. So, in understanding that and looking at that as a data point of measure, that lead you to this moment, how does one actually start to create change in their life in consideration of the impact?

Kiri-Maree: So, let's just be clear on this for a moment here. Right? We all have a story, you've got a story, I've got a story. So, how we do that story, what that story looks like is what patterns we put in place, the behaviors we now have, and then how we change that story going forward. And that sounds lovely, just like you said, but it's the truth is I can't change the past. I know, and I can speak so truly to things like that, I know what it's like to stand on that cliff and wanting to take my life because I don't want to go any further because life got so tough and it felt like there was no hope for it. I know what it was like facing hospital and told that you are never gonna live another day. I know what that feeling is like, I know that moment when you think there is nothing that I wanna live for. I don't wanna take another breath, I don't wanna do anything else, that is that moment that you go I'm here, recognize it, but do I want to stay here? Is this serving me? And here's the thing that I had to learn; I call it a crossroad in life. I can choose to keep doing my old score is that serving me? Is that gonna get me where I want to be? So, here's the thing often when it is at your lowest point, you are not able to do it for yourself. So, I had to do it for someone else and I believed at the point that I was, and I've had a few crossroad moments trust me in my life, but at the time that I started, because it's a journey and I think we have to be clear on this, it doesn't mean that, oh, overnight, I've got it sorted. I'm now gonna head this way, it is a journey and if you are at the rock bottom of the rock bottom, that journey is tough because you gotta get through all those rocks and boulders and the things that are, you know, have been the things that have been the challenges. And I wanna encourage you that the road does get easier, I look at my life now and I'm so grateful that I get to live and the reason I get excited that I get to take a breath every day. I get excited that I get to live every day, I get excited that even though some days, and by the way, we're in isolation right now there is like this continuous every day doing the same ground hog thing. I go, but I get to do that because you know, a time in life where I hit one of those crossroads, where I was choosing not to do that. So, if I go back into where it was tough, those tough moments, I got drivers, I got things that I couldn't do it for myself, I had always promised myself, Michael, that even when I had no children, that if I was ever to have children, they were never, ever gonna go through anything that I did in my life. I promised that to myself. And so, in that moment, when there was a crossroad and I had children at that time, I would go, I can't do this for me, but I want a better life for my children and I said, I wouldn't do this for my kids, I'm gonna be true on that promise. And that pulled me out or the moment when as a young girl I had already been through horrific things before I'd hit at this time where I could consciously make a decision and I go, okay, I could have been dead any of those 16 years beforehand I'm not, you know, and for me, I was like, okay, God must have a bigger purpose for me than I can see for myself, I'm not gonna waste those 16 years of going through that, I'm gonna make a decision today to keep going towards, and then once I make that decision, I've gotta surround people that can take me on that journey and that was the pieces that over time that's changed depending what that crossroad is thing. But I have learnt those skills to do every time I hit that crossroad is if I keep doing this journey from today onwards, cuz here's the thing I can't change yesterday, but I have the power to change today and forward and that's why I love thinking about a lot of things in the future and the hope and the vision around that. But I also love right where I am right now, how am I turning up today? Is it better than yesterday?  Awesome! Then I'm heading in the right direction. Does that make sense? 

Michael: A hundred percent. And I have a lot of appreciation for that because, you know, as someone who has faced suicide multiple times and put myself in these unbelievably precarious situations in the course of my life, I now look at it as you know, when I was at my lowest it's because I wasn't serving others, I wasn't bringing anything to the table and yet I was expecting other people to come in and somehow make my life better. And it was, and you know, when I look at that and I think there was a period of time in which you do have to do a lot of personal work development, call it therapy, journaling you know, whatever that is…

Kiri-Maree: But Michael don't you still have to do that now?

Michael: Oh, hundred percent.

Kiri-Maree: I'm still working on me, I'm still growing. Yesterday, I spent probably four hours with amazing global leaders and basically, I felt like I was in therapy in both sections.

Michael: Yeah, and I don't think we stopped. I think I have this theory and it's that when you decide that you've reached the apex of what your capability is, that's when you die. And I don't believe that I will ever do that and I'm not saying I will live forever, I mean, that would be ideal than we can make more impact in the world.

Kiri-Maree: Have you got the pill for that? Are you?

Michael: I'm working on it. And so, what will happen though instead is I think about every single day, how can I make granular and microscopic shifts and changes to project me forward. And I'm not saying this is probably be better or worse yesterday versus today, but I'm thinking about today right now in this moment like what can I do that matters?

Kiri-Maree: Can I ask the question?

Michael: Yeah, absolutely.

Kiri-Maree: Why do you say that you won't necessarily be better today than yesterday? So, a better might be that I just turned up today, even though I'm going through tough times and turning up might mean that I got through today.

Michael: Sure, cuz I think that the way that I've begun to think about my life is in terms of macro goals. So, I celebrate my micro wins, I celebrate my micro wins every day, I go, great job went to the gym, great job, ate healthy, great job, you know, did something that mattered. But I don't necessarily measure that as a data point of better. What I'm thinking about is the long-term macro goals ending generational trauma in my lifetime. And I go, when I do that, then my day will be better. Right. So, it's an interpretation, I don't think it's necessarily better a world…

Kiri-Maree: That's the reason I wanted to bring that up was because that's exactly it. Right. So, what that means to you, what that can mean to me,cCan be really different yet you've gotta be able to define that. You've gotta know what that looks like. So, for me, I so get the micro macro, but I also again think that it's an ecosystem of, if I know the macro I can work towards, but it's the micro that gets me the macro. And I think that’s the important piece is that if I can know that, Hey, I've done what I meant to do, went for my walk this morning, had a quiet time, did my gratefulness space this morning. I know that that I'm gonna be more effective and if I'm being more effective, it doesn't matter if I'm speaking on a stage, it doesn't matter if I'm in a podcast, it doesn't matter if I'm just at home with my kids. I'm leading in the way that I'm meant to be leading, so that means I'm gonna be better today than I was yesterday because every decision we make has an impact. So, every conversation, every time we turn up anywhere we are, am I better than yesterday? Yeah. Cuz I've put in that work. I've done what I need to do. Does that mean I'm having life shattering conversations every single day? Well, no, I would say no, although probably in my world, it's been a lot of those lately because of what's happening across the globe. But reality is you've gotta know that even when I don't know when you're not feeling like, and I think this is what I'm trying to say is when you're not feeling that you're doing it, when you're not feeling you've met or you've changed the fact that you are knowing that you are wanting to change, you've got an awareness around it and you want to own that that's a huge change from yesterday. Right. And I think that's really important for those that are facing things that are difficult. It's that getting back up when it gets tough? You know, the person that won't make it, that doesn't change that, doesn't see some of the grass that is greener on the other side is the person that's not willing to get back up. And I have to encourage those that are listening that are facing those really tough, traumatic stages in life. The importance is, are you willing to get back up even though it's tough? And to make today a new day and whatever I decide today to be the day that I'm moving it forward, whatever that looks like and it might mean just getting out of that bed and getting up and existing in your day. Kudos, because I know when it's tough, I didn't wanna do that, I didn't wanna get back up.

 Michael: Yeah. A hundred percent. And you know, I think like in the context of this conversation, you asked me that question 12 years ago better would've been like, I took a shower today for real. And so, I think that life is very progressive. And so, the measurement and here's such a great point I really want people to understand this and take this away from today, the way that other people interpret the world has nothing to do about the way that you interpret the world we must be the ones who make meaning. Now thinking about this idea of macro and micro, if you know, what is your macro, because I know you have some things that you're working on that are beautiful, that are big, that are grandiose, that are in fact, probably even the scary at times. What is the macro goal for you?

Kiri-Maree: When we talked about fair, I go, yeah, I've got some fair. And the fair is the bigger picture because okay, just to put some context around it. I'm a major introvert, I am not someone that goes, Hey, I wanna be leading, I wanna be out there, but I also have a story that has helped many people and because of it, I've learned skills and things that can help really change where you are now to where you wanna go. So, for me, that has just grown over the years and my bigger picture is really what if we made decisions at the decision table and we looked at it through the lens of humanity as stakeholders. It's like, what does she even mean by that? All, I mean, is humanity is Michael you and I stakeholders mean, well, what is the result we want? What is that impact that we wanna bring? What is the growth that we wanna see? And you know, when I look at the global landscape, that's just what you are doing over there, what I'm doing over here, that's what someone else is doing over there, how can we bring that change? And I believe it's when we make decisions at any table, whether you are at a table where you are just trying to figure out what is it I'm gonna do next? What is that job I want? Or who is that I need to connect with? That we are making decisions that are gonna add value to humanity going forward, not take away from.

And I keep believing that if everyone does that, that's how we're gonna change the culture. So, you talked about it earlier about society, you know, we don't need to look very far to see division, we don't need to look very far to see humans, not being that nice to each other or humans making decisions that are affecting and there's consequences as many of the people that listen to, you will know. So, what if we could change society and that everyone made decision adding value to humanity, not taking away from? And that means that the way that I see that happening is that each day we are just choosing to do the one thing that is gonna help us to shift that dive forward. And that's what that's about, it's about going, what am I gonna commit to in my world to help do that? And you know, the thing that I can do is amazing leaders who have their communities to narrow that gap from seeing a problem to actually now being able to deliver a solution and that would change culture. So, for me, that's my thing I can do. Right.

Michael: Yeah. And I love that. And what comes to mind in this is I think about all the incredible human beings I've met and how so many of them have a voice and messages and missions. And yet they talk from the sidelines and they're not willing to step up for whatever reason and this isn't a cast of judgment. But what I'm always thinking about is how do we get more people to be leaders?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah. So, I think you say a couple of interesting things and that's a huge part of what I do is give voice to humanity. It's come from my background I was that girl that didn't have a voice and, you know, if the humans around me had given me a voice, oh, my gosh, I think I would've just been such a different person and my journey would've been such a different person. But in saying that what I learned from those times was a resilience, was that mental toughness, was this ability to look for a solution, even though there didn't feel like there was one.

And I think that, you say about giving voice. One of the things is we have to know that we've got a voice and that's why I say it goes back to us as an individual. Well, what is it that you can bring? Do you know, your voice can be as simple as just, I'm willing to connect with a friend every day and just tell them I care. Do you know that could make a real difference in someone's life? That's gonna add value, right? So, we can do this no matter what stage we are. And it could be okay, I'm gonna choose that today, I'm gonna connect with another business owner and just check in on them and make sure they're doing okay. It could be something as simple as that it's whatever's in your hands. And I think that that's where we've gotta come back to going, how do we give voice? We are willing to step into it ourselves, we're willing to reach out. Now, if you've got platforms, I believe that responsibility is even bigger, it's to use your platform to give voice. And it goes back to Michael, what you said earlier that we've gotta do a lot of work on ourselves. You cannot be telling the world things that you are still really dealing with. So, you know, the reason I can talk about anything and everything of my past now there was not always a time that I could do that, right? Is cuz I did the hard work, but I do it now because not cuz I want people to feel sorry for me, not because I want, oh, she's amazing, she's done this because of this. No, because I want you to realize that when you have a voice and a platform, there's a responsibility cuz maybe you are that person at this moment that feels you don't have a voice, that today is really tough. I wanna say to you, get back up, get surrounded by people that can help you and to take you where you need to go. And when you have that moment in your day, even no matter how tough it, reach out to someone that you could just care for. Just say, hey mate, I was wondering how you are, what are you doing today? Are you okay? Because you don't know how much you reaching out to someone else will mean to someone else. And by the way, when you are starting to help other people, it starts making you go, oh, well, this feels pretty good, doesn't it being able to help other someone else to be able to use my voice, to bring some change, that's what it's about. And again, this goes back to capacity, it doesn't matter at what stage you are at, I believe every single one of us can be grateful for one thing and in our life, if not more and show gratefulness and have something in our hands to give no matter where we’re at.

Michael: Yeah, there are so much truth to that. One of the things that I'm contemplating as we're having this conversation is looking at the state of the current world. And I recognize that there are certain shifts happening societally, where some people are closing down, some people are opening up and some people are ostracized, some people are getting back to reality. And I will say this, I don't think we fully understand the ramifications of what the last year and now moving into almost two years is going to be, I do think they're gonna be incredibly detrimental to communication as a whole to interaction as a whole to things. And look, this is not to be political or anything like that, but instead to think about, as we move towards some senses of normality, how do we expedite a shift around coming back together as a communal species in consideration that the very thing that makes us humans been stripped from us for so long?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah. And that's beautiful. And what I love about that is that it creates an awareness and I think that's where it starts, we've gotta create this awareness of, okay, how is it different? What does that need to look like going forward? I think we need to have different conversations; the old conversation isn't always gonna get us to where we want to go in the future and by the way that conversation means that we need to have different people at the table. So, if we've got people who are going through and having to deal with things that maybe haven't been at the level from years ago, then we need those people at the table. And I think it's how do we do that going forward? We need to do it as little communities and those communities need to come together with other communities. We have gotta stop this division that's happening across the world. It's almost like it's cool to be a minority right now, but we don't want minorities, we want humanity at the table. And when we have a conversation at that table, we need to look at it and this is where I come back to all, everything that I'm about to this day is, if we are about humanity as stakeholders, that means when we come to that table, the first thing we're coming there as is a human, you are bringing your distinctions so those differences, the things we need to hear, we need to see, we need to have a conversation around you are bringing that to the table, but the first priority at that table is the human race. So, even if we disagree at that table, even if some of the things that we do, we go, oh my gosh, that's so terrible or that's so amazing, whatever that is. Right? We actually sit at that table and we go, okay. The most important thing is we want to see and have one outcome that we know that we're adding value to human race. And I think that's where we've gotta go back to is okay, in your community, what is one thing knowing that it's tougher now than it was before, knowing that there are more people struggling right now than ever before, knowing that things behind the scene because of the tension, the stresses that people are dealing with, it's bringing more trauma into a lot of homes at this moment, compared to what it was even before, knowing this, how do we now do one thing that we can all agree on to keep moving it forward? And that is how we're gonna change it, it's not going to the table going.

There's our 50 million lists of things that we need changing, getting all the people that agree with you on that. It is we have got to get the humans back together, working together, going how can we keep improving the human race so that not only you are succeeding, I'm succeeding, everyone else down that road, that pathway is succeeding too. And I know that sounds grandiose, but I think more than ever that we need to do this, we need to change culture, we cannot continue the same way that we were before it has to be different and that means a different conversation and different lenses in which we use at the table with our questions. And then it means that we have to agree, be uncomfortable with disagreeing, but we need to listen and we need to see everyone that comes to the table and we need to start doing it one step at a time or one shift at a time towards where we really want the world to be at. Otherwise, it's all gonna be too big.

Michael: Yeah, I love it. And I think with clarity comes intention. My friend, it's been an amazing conversation and before I ask you my last question, can you tell everyone where they can find you?

Kiri-Maree: Yeah, so like everyone else I'm on social media. Find me anywhere on social media. I am around Kiri-Maree Moore, but for those that wanna just do their one thing, I would love, and I'll make sure you have this link somewhere, but if you go to the 1% movement.com and basically what I wanna do is make a wall of humanity, of awesome humans across the world, just doing their one thing, because I believe that when we see others doing their one thing that that encourages us to keep doing our one thing. I believe that when you can see that others are excited about seeing change, it means that your one thing adds to what someone else is doing, what someone else is doing, what someone else is doing and that is how we change culture across the globe. So, there you go.

Michael: I love it. And we'll put the link in the notes here for you. My last question for you, my friend, is what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

Kiri-Maree: Oh, that's such a to be unbroken. So, can you tell me just to be clear what Unbroken means to you?

Michael: No, cause this is a question for you.

Kiri-Maree: So, here's the funny thing. I really struggle with unbroken and I'll tell you why, because my whole work is based on patterns, right?

So, I've gone what is the pattern that doesn't serve me? What do I need to disrupt to create? And so, one of the things that you've got in there is broken. And even though I'm unbroken, I find it really a struggle to even consider the broken bit in it, because that was my whole life, that was what I was for so many years of my life. There was so much hurt, my decisions were all made around brokenness, my relationships that I got into, where I saw myself in life, I followed people because I thought if I follow what they want for me, then I will be and turn up in the world the way that I'm meant to. When I became, I guess, unbroken was when I disrupted that pattern and what I saw was this woman who could lead and help others to then lead their communities. I saw a person who could use whatever's in her hand to be a voice for another human. I saw someone who could use the smarts, the data that she has within her to go, how can I build out more effective and more solutions and innovations that are gonna help people have the education or the resources or the tools to get them there. And I think it that's what I saw, was possibility, opportunity and freedom, not just for me to live the best I can each day, but give that to others.  Does that give you an answer?

Michael: That is so beautiful. I love that. Thank you so much, my friend, thank you for being here. I greatly appreciate you.

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