Finding Self Worth After Trauma with Dee Evans

 Michael: Hey! What's up, Unbroken Nation! Hope you're doing well wherever you are in the world today.  I'm very excited to be back with you with another episode with my guest and friend Dee Evans. My friend, what is happening in your world? How are you?

Dee: I'm so good. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy that you have me out, I'm excited to participate in this podcast, this is actually like my first real podcast, and you reached out to me at an event and inspired me to kind of get out there and get my story out there more and I haven't done much of that, and so I'm super happy to be here and to be sharing it.

Michael: Well, I'm pumped that you're here. Here's the thing I think about when I come across incredible people, it feels much like my moral imperative and really my mission to give them a platform and a space to share stories. I mean, obviously with this show we've interviewed a lot of people but for me it's about those people who stand out, who have been able to do the thing that is the crux of the show and that's transform trauma to triumph tragedies into something beautiful and I think you're a really beautiful case scenario of that, so thank you for being here.

Dee: Thank you. Yes. I do love how you say that ‘cuz that is the truth like it is and it's possible for everybody. So, I’m the living testament of that now, so that's awesome.

Michael: Yeah. And it is possible and that's the thing where people get stuck and we're gonna talk about that in a minute, but before we do, what is one experience of your life that I would need to know about you to know who you are?

 Dee: I've had a lot of pivotal experiences, it's hard to name just one, but I think from birth I'm hard of hearing, so I'm deaf in both ears and have hearing aids, and so it's given me a gift, but I never saw it always as a gift, it's always been something I kind of saw as something that was hard and a challenge for me. And it wasn’t till more recent years, that I really was like, oh, this is a huge blessing, ‘cuz I'm able to interpret things a lot differently than others.

Michael: How was that in any capacity? Like a superpower for you?

 Dee: Oh, a hundred percent.  But I didn't recognize it as a superpower it took a lot of different trials and things for me to actually be like, oh, this is the gift and now I see it as a superpower. F or the longest time growing up, I had a lot of childhood trauma from it, it was hard for me.  I felt like I didn't understand people in the world like  others did and I felt like I excluded in a way, and I talked funny, and I still have a speech impediment and I get caught on it all the time. But now, I embrace that and I'm like, that's what makes me unique.

Michael: Yeah. Well, you know what's interesting is, sometimes our  uniqueness, unfortunately, or fortunately,  however you want to look at it, is in the traumatic experiences that we've had. And it's in those moments and those experiences that can be the pivotal shifts in helping us create our life, but they also can destroy our lives.

Dee: Yeah, a hundred percent. And it's all about that perspective, that mind shift is like, how do you look at it?  And you might not look at it as a gift at the time you're going through it, but as long as you keep pushing through, then you start to see from the outside, oh, this is what this is meant for.

Michael: One of the things that I experienced coming from a traumatic background is just like this massive anger, like constantly, right?   Well, I'm not deaf, I never had to deal with that, but I had to deal with the chaos of having a learning disability of my mother, cutting my finger off when I was four years old, all of those things that come along with those experiences, and it's like I was so mad, just angry at the world. As you were growing up, how did you handle that?

 Dee: I think my emotional home kind of resorted to introverted shyness and kind of close off to everybody, like they don't understand me. The emotional home that I lived in was probably more of like fear or sadness that I wouldn't be understood or that I didn't fit in. So, I guess for mostly fear, like I lived in a little emotional home of fear growing up.

Michael: Yeah, I think most of us do, how do you navigate that like as a kid? Like what was in your head?

Dee: I didn't understand it as a child. In fact, I probably haven't even understood it till just more recently. I always looked at fear as this bad thing and this low vibrational energy, but its fear is what builds our character and fear is, and the pain is what connects us to others. So allowing us to have that pain is allowing us to be able to connect with somebody else. And had I not had that fear, I don't think there's a lot of people that I wouldn't have connected with, that I did in childhood and now adulthood. And so, yeah, to answer your question in a roundabout way, it's just helped me to see it now, but I didn't understand it then.

Michael: Well, how can you? You know, I think that's the thing.

Dee: You continue to grow; your brain continues to develop. I don't think we really know what we're going through as children unless someone was there to explain it to us. And with my kid, I actually tried to take the time to explain to him what the emotions are and like the colors and the chakras and what are you feeling? What are you understanding? Because I didn't have that, and I don't think, and I love my parents, I just don't think they were emotionally aware. And that wasn't a thing at the time it was just like, live a good life. And there wasn't the dive into the emotions that wasn’t the struggle back then so, they didn't do a lot of teaching on what I'm specifically feeling and just not being able to take care of me in that regard as a child to help me understand that.

So, I think, I didn't understand as a child and then when I got to an adult, I'm like, what am I feeling? And that's like, where I started to get self-aware, I started asking myself the right questions to become aware of like, what am I feeling? What is this emotion? How do I interpret it? Where did it come from? But I didn't do that until more recently, I actually didn't do that until I hit my adulthood trauma which was like nearly devastating and broke me to the point where I was just ready to not exist anymore.

Michael: Yeah. I resonate with a lot of that and when I was in my mid-twenties, as I've shared many times on this show, like I hit massive rock bottom and nothing seemed better to me than the possibility of not waking up tomorrow. And one of the big reasons why I've put such an emphasis on this show and the content of Think Unbroken and all the things that we do is because I know what rock bottom feels like and I know what the other side looks like. What was it as an adult that you faced?

Dee: I allowed myself, I did not take responsibility for my life and I allowed myself to put myself in a constant state of self-sabotage and negativity. And I like to think of it, I mean, we've also heard the study maybe we haven't all heard the study, but there's a study out there that talks about water and the color of water  and they did a scientific  study and they, like if you talk to the water so many times negatively, it will actually start to change color and it components will start to look a little dirtier, nastier versus if you start talking to it positively, it will get clearer. And so, I wasn't really aware of how I was talking to myself, but so much of that had compiled to a point where I was just in this darkness. I had talked to myself so negatively for so long I was in this darkness, in this space where I had no self-love, I had no love for myself at all, and that's what nearly broke me. It was my responsibility to be like, hey, this is how I'm seeing, despite all the external forces that were coming at me and the things that were happening around me, it was when I actually decided to take the responsibility to be like, no, this is the way I'm thinking and I'm the only one that's in control of how I perceive life. And that took a lot to realized but when I started taking that in, then I realized I could start with baby steps to changing that. And I've seen just like you probably both sides of being in the negative state and the hurt in the internal state of self-sabotage, but also being in a blissful state and knowing that your potential is limitless and that you are the greatest being and soulful being that there could be.

Michael: The question that I always think to myself is like, what does it take to give people that? And I just don't think, actually, I know you cannot create change in your life without that breakdown because you're comfortable, because you're good. And sometimes even the breakdown, the native self-talk, the beating yourself up, the destroying your life. Like you go, this is my life, my life sucks, it's supposed to be this way and we convince ourself that that's true. And what I think is really unfortunate about that is there's so much potential in all of us. How did you start to pull yourself through that? Was there a moment, was there a pivotal moment where you were like, wait a second, I don't want this sh*t anymore?

Dee: Yeah. So, my pivotal moment, I mean, we'll probably get a little heavy here, but I was at a place where I was so broken. I had been married and I had had a lot of devastation and betrayal in that and that allowed me to kind of get in well, I'm not worth it, I'm not lovable, I'm not, and I was in this place, and one night I was in so deep. And if you've been in a dark place where it feels like nearly impossible to pull yourself out, you have to recognize that there is a hundred percent higher power, universal power, God, whatever you believe in that sees you and sees your potential, your higher self. It could be even be your higher self and your intuition, it's like, no, this isn't right like I gotta stop this because then you allow yourself to continue to get in that dark space, it can nearly break you. And so, I was in this space where, it was a pivotal moment for me, I was laying in the bathtub and I was just trying to calm myself because I was like, I feel so hurt and I feel so heavy and I don't even know what direction to go and I feel like I'm not going to be here anymore. And I really, in that moment, was so dark that I wanted to slip under the water and basically drown myself and so, it was really hard. I mean my higher self, my God was like, no, this is not happening. So, there was that resistance there and honestly that's what saved me hard to explain ‘cuz everybody has their own personal journey but that's what saved me. And that moment of brokenness, I realized that I was in so deep and I realized that like, this isn't who I am like, I'm a mother, I'm a friend, and I started getting these thoughts that weren't mine. And so, I believe in God, I know it was from my God, our greater source that started trying to feed those into me because he knew that if I didn't get some kind of positivity that was gonna be the end for me.

And so when I started to feel and see those things that I'm like, I am a mother, I am these things and I'm like, why am I in this place where I don't see the beauty of the world around me? I don't see the beauty of life, of the people that love me, that are here for me. And I've isolated myself to this lonely, hard place and that moment it clicked. I'm like, I am responsible and I don't know how I got this or what I got it, but my mess becomes my message.

I talk about responsibility, and responsibility is your ability to respond. So, when your intuition or when your higher power is speaking to you, you have the ability to respond to that and the choice is yours. It's whether you decide to do it or not, that's up to you, but you are in control. And that's when it hit me. I'm like, I can respond to this in a positive way so I pulled myself out of the bath and I just sat there crying and I felt this all-encompassing love for myself. And I felt the light that I am and the potential that I have. And I was like, I have to do something about this and I know I'm not in a place right now, a mental or emotional place to even be right in my head, but I'm like, what's like one thing that can help me? And I started with actually it gets called healing through Christ, it's an addiction workbook that someone had given me and they handed it to me and said, hey, I really think you should work on this workbook. And I was always like, well, I'm not the one with the addiction, so I don't wanna deal with it but that was my first action step is I was like, someone gave me that healing through Christ's workbook and I'm going to go open it. And the minute I opened that and looked into step one, that's where my journey really started, I kind of went through that whole book and then I started, I was learning so much and it was bringing so much light and joy to my life that I started compounding on that, I was like, Ooh, I'm going to go get a book and jumped into vex King and he's a very much a self-help ultimate love guru of positivity and light. I started reading his Good Vibes, good Life book and like these little things started shifting my mentality and I started journaling. In fact, I can actually go back to my first journal ‘cuz I was journaling during the time of hurt too, not as much as I do now, but I was journaling and you read my journal entries and it's devastating. It's like someone, it's not even me writing, I'm like, this isn't me and it's sad to see the same cycle over and over and over again. And then you see this shift and you're like, someone else is writing this book, these are two different books, there's a book of worry, fear, shame, guilt, hurt, negativity, not enough, worrisome trying to save somebody else versus the book that you read now is like all basically positive affirmations. It's just like, oh, I see myself. I am a light, I have this potential, I get to choose, I have the ability to respond to my life, I can take action on my own internal wellness. And so, my mission became internal wellness to external results because I really do believe you can, it has to start within, you have to believe in yourself, and you have to start feeding yourself just like that water for it to start to clear up and for you to start to become a light. And when I put two pictures side by side, when I was the person in that depth place, which I love that person because it built my character and that pain now connects me to others. I'm so much able to empathize and understand others because of that pain. So, now I have that and the person I am now and I put those two to side by side and you can just see the light, you can just see it's drawn into because of the work that I put in but it's possible for everybody. And their story might not be a pivotal moment where those thoughts start feeding in, but it might be a person or it might be just a walk-in nature, it might be their own intuition, it might be higher power, it might be a thought of a pet or an animal or loved one or whatever. But those kinds of things, your intuition is constantly feeding those in and your higher power is constantly feeding those in, it's what do you decide to listen to? Because that's really where you're gonna get the best results and a little bit into the what I believe now.

 Michael: Well, and thank you for sharing that. And you know, the first thought that came to mind for me was you picking up that book about addiction and it's like, what's so fascinating there are these moments in which someone gives us something because they see something in us that we don't want to acknowledge. I had a roommate's girlfriend, I was 20 years old, so a very long time ago, give me a copy of Eckhart Tolle's, A new Earth. And she was like, you should read this book and I threw it in the trashcan because I was like, how dare you? Who the f*ck do you think you are? You're gonna tell me what to do's. And so now here you are in this moment where like, here's this book about addiction. and your brain says, I'm not an addict, but it's like…

Dee: Ego was very much so there.

Michael: One of the best things David Meltzer ever taught me in my entire life, in my work with him and I love him dearly, is that our egos will always find a way to be offended. And in that moment, you might not have been addicted to drugs or alcohol or whatever but you were addicted to pain. You're addicted to suffering, you're addicted to being the lack of the person that you're capable of being. People don't understand like it is an addiction to living, chaos and destroy your life.

 Dee: Yeah, to being a negative energy can be addiction like you're looking to find that same energy because that's what you're familiar with, that's what your mind knows a hundred percent.

Michael: And that's your safe space. And the hard part about that, especially if you're introverted, you turn inward and then it gets worse and worse and worse and next thing you're lying in the bathtub wondering if you even want to ever get out and I mean, I've been there and I can speak to that firsthand. And that addictive property of that suffering is because the other side is so much more scary. What if deed did love themselves? What if you did show up? What if you did tap in your potential? And for some people like me, it was like, what if I lost weight? What if I got out of debt? What if I stopped cheating on my girlfriend? What if I stopped smoking cigarette? What if I could be literally the polar opposite of all the things, I said that everyone said I was supposed to be? But you used a word that I don't think people really understand until like the game is on the line and you're like, I had to make a decision but you didn't wait till tomorrow. You went and you got that book, how did that moment transform  you?

Dee: Yeah. So, I mean, after I felt that warm embrace it gave me enough strength to like get that thought into my head and so that was the first thing that was available to me. And it was in, on my nightstand I had tossed it aside because I was like, this isn't irrelevant to me with my ego sofa speaking, and I just wanted to stay in a negative spiral so, I picked myself up. And I remember I couldn't even put clothing on, like, I was just so like, when you're in a place of complete shattered brokenness, you just don't even care and I crawled over to the desk and pulled it off and I laid on the carpet floor there and I opened it up and I just started reading. And that was it like I just needed to start reading and that thought of the book could have came to my mind and I could have sat there and continued to like rock myself in wallow and feel the emotions that I was feeling, but I took an action ‘cuz I was like, this is my chance, this is my chance to respond like I get to respond to this that's speaking to me. There was only one thing that was speaking to me at that time that was a sliver of light, and so that was it. I took that sliver of light and I crawled over to it and then I got into it like, have you ever been in like a flow of things like where it just starts coming and you're just like, whoa. And it took that like that breaking point for it to wake me up and to get me into the flow state of a different life, and I had to continue to work at it.

I think that's my mission as well, is your mental and emotional health is just as much of a workout as your physical. And if you're not treating it like that, then you obviously need to reevaluate because that's where you're feeling the hurt and pain and you're like, I can't figure out what to do. Physically you have to continue to work out for the rest of your life to stay healthy, fit, and in shape so that you can feel good. Mentally and emotionally, you have to have those same exercises, those same workouts, whether it's meditation, journaling, a walk-in nature, whatever it is, you have to do those same workouts each day so that you can continue to be mentally and emotionally strong, especially in today's world. And I think so many people don't understand the concept of that yet and it's like, also, what is the thing that you're gonna do? For me, it started with books and then it expanded to conferences, and then it expanded to connecting with other people. And then the more people I started connecting with, the more people I had to reach out to and friends to lean on, an insight to come and, and give to me. And then I started learning my own discernment, like what resonates with me? What do I need to take in at this time? And then what might be for me at a later time or maybe resonate with that, but I could see people and I could understand people so much better than I ever had before. So, I'm grateful for that brokenness.

Michael: Yeah. And in that you find out who you are. We are really good at wearing masks and putting on facades, but here's what's really fascinating about this whole journey, is that our outside Opt-in represents our inside. And you showed me this photo of you and will determine whether or not you wanna go down this path. You showed me this photo of you, and I remember looking at it and being like, I resonate with that so tremendously well, because I then showed you this photo of me. And here I am at this hurt loss, stuck, broken, dismantled, hating the universe, place in life, 350 pounds, smoking two packs a day, drinking myself to sleep. And I realized like there is something about the physical that must be taken into account along with the mental, the emotional, the spiritual. One of the things that I kind of dislike about when I share that part of my background is I will literally have people be like, your body shaming. And I'm like, I don't think that's how it works, buddy, what was the physical journey for you?

 Dee: Yeah, so the physical started after the internal results started. So, internally I started reading and I started believing like, oh, I gotta make a different change. But I actually had a pivotal moment in the physical terms too. And I don't think it was till that actual pivotal moment that I recognize the physical aspects like I just was like, oh, I'm existing and I'm fine, like I feel okay healthy, but like I'm mentally, emotionally okay. But I was driving down the road and I started just feeling my whole body, like the heaviness of it, the grogginess of it and I felt it just like moving and jiggling in ways that I didn't like. I was like, this is uncomfortable like I don't feel comfortable. The seatbelt's cutting into me and I'm just feeling the weight of everything and I felt like I don't know what it was, it was like shaking me awake in that moment and I was like, I don't want to feel this way anymore like it hit. I was like, I can't feel this way anymore, this is hurting me, the pain of this is worse than whatever pain I’m gonna face trying to outre it. So, I was like, that’s it. It was another one of those moments where I was like, I now have the ability to respond to this, how am I gonna respond? Like, this is waking me up, I'm uncomfortable, I don't like it, how am I gonna respond? And so, it was one action step too. I decided in that moment that I had four kids under the age of two that I was taking care of at that time, one of my own and I had my brother's twins and a two-year-old. And I decided in that moment I had always made excuses for why I couldn't physically work out, I decided in that moment that I was going to take them to a gym, daycare, I was gonna find a way because there's always a way, and I was gonna stop letting the fear of their gonna get sick or they're not gonna be taken care of, get in the way when I'm in the gym with them if I go. And take them, book the daycare time so, I booked it that was the first thing I did was book the daycare time. And then I got myself to the gym and oh my gosh, I was like, I don't wanna be here, this is not my place, I'm uncomfortable, like everybody's looking at me. I feel uncomfortable. I didn't feel at home like, ‘cuz I didn't feel fit, so I didn't feel at home. But there was a Cardios Cinema and I was like, oh perfect, a dark room where I can watch a movie like I'll go hide in there. So that was my first step but that was my also an action step I took, I responded by just getting to the gym and then it was like, then there was another decision once I was at the gym, it was like, okay, now what am I going to do? ‘Cause I don't know what to do. Then it was getting into the Cardios cinema, that was my next action step. Once they got in there, I got on the bike and I just started riding for 45 minutes until the time was up and I was like, that wasn't too bad we'll try that again tomorrow. And so, I'd made a decision the next day to do the same thing, and that started compounding and then after about two months of that, I had lost about 15 to 18 pounds, somewhere around there. And I got like to a better, I was like seeing results and it was just from just moving my body ‘cause my body needed to move. And then after that I decided to go out and hit the weights ‘cuz I was seeing the people out on the weights and I'm like, man, they look so strong and they look, they feel good and they're confident and I realized then I started researching that muscle burns more energy than fat. So, I was like, ooh, I gotta put on some muscle and then it will start utilizing more of my fat stores, ‘cuz they kind of had plateaued from the cardio.

And so, then I started going out there and I would just sit back, I'm very observant and I think as part of my hearing impairment, I would sit back and I'd watch like, okay, this is what they're doing, what are they doing that for? Cool. I think I can try that too. And I started observing and watching all these different exercises. And then even after I was started getting more interested in, I'd go home and start Youtubing and looking on IG for different exercises and I started implementing all those different things and trying that out. And then I started losing a lot of weight but it took that one decision moment and it took that one moment for me to respond to my intuition, to my pain, to my uncomfortableness, to say, hey, it's time for a change. And like now too, knowing that I've been and experienced that kind of pain, it's built my character. I never wanna go back there like I'd made a commitment to myself to stay healthy and fit and well for life. Mentally now and emotionally, but on top of that, physically so I'm like, if I can encompass all that, that's my goal, that's what I'm gonna do.

Michael: Yeah. I resonate with that a lot. And I think one of the really difficult parts about it is it, is that first step. I started my health journey literally at 350 pounds, like being morbidly obese, size four XL shirt, 42 pants, like I could not stand being in my own body. I ordered a set of yoga DVDs and that's where I started in my living room in like 2007 and I was so terrified of it, I never told anybody, but it was like there was a constant evolution. And I think you have to start where you are and that's the place where people don't take the first step ‘cuz it's like you don't actually have to go to the gym, you don't have to go to the CrossFit studio. You don't have to go, like you can start this in your living room. It's incredible what happens when you like move your body physically, but what I discovered in that it wasn't this thing about fitness that was driving me to continue to now have the same thought process as you. Like, I refuse, I will never go back to that and do not give a shit will not happen, this is actually a self-love. When you think about that, that word, that concept, like what role has loving yourself played in your life?

Dee:  Yeah. I kind of like, I actually did a little video on this recently. I'm like, discipline is the ultimate form of self-love. And the reason I say that is because discipline shows, hey, I care enough about myself to make this happen so, I'm disciplined to make it happen. And having that self-love role of like, it's a fine line. It's like, hey, I gotta push myself and I don't wanna self-sabotage ‘cuz you don't wanna end up saying you're not, and then you get to the point where you don't do anything at all ‘cuz like, you can do that. Like, self-love is not like beating yourself up to like the point where you're like, okay, you're gonna do it. Self-love is like a happy balance in between like finding your way that you best show up for you because everyone's different and then also having a little bit of discipline. And we actually read this scripture lately about being in the flesh, like, and the fleshes is our body and it wants certain things that are just natural wants and desires, but our soul is totally different. And so, it's like, and our soul is asking, what do we want? And the soul is self-love and the flesh is like, okay, how do I find the self-control and the discipline to make it happen? So, I don't know if that really makes any sense to you guys, but it resonated with me it was one of those aha moments. It's like, oh, this is our flesh, but our soul and our spirit are different and our soul and our spirit want love and respect and want to push it, but we also have to have a level of self-control and discipline so that we can have that good in between to make it successful.

Michael: Yeah. And you have to be willing to find the path because so many people, and you did it too. I've done it too. I will find every excuse. I don't want the kids to get sick. What are you talking about right now? What are you doing? And I think of a hard part is people are terrified to put themselves first. And I think when you step into the healing journey, you must put yourself first. You have to take care of yourself first because if you don't, the thing that will happen is nothing will change. And then you'll be standing here looking at your life wondering why is it the same? And without the acknowledgement of truth, not the truth that you wish was reality but the truth of your actual reality and tell you're willing to stand in that, nothing will be different and you'll continue to be this person who is a shell of your potential. And so, I congratulate you for stepping in your potential and for who it is that you've become. Before I ask you my last question…

Dee: I wanna say one thing when you mentioned you had got the yoga DVDs and that was like, well, your first step. So many people take that first step, but they don't take the follow up step. It's like, yeah, I'm prepared to change and they get the DVDs, but then the DVDs get here and they set 'em aside and they don't even touch 'em. So, in those moments, like when they got here, what made you actually put it in and be like, Hey, I'm ready to take this on.

Michael: First off, I'm interviewing you.

Dee: Yeah. I'm curious to know, can't myself.

Michael: I'm just teasing. No, the reality is I was so tired of my own bullsh*t that it was like, do this or die, it was non-negotiable. The greatest understanding of this journey for me, which is one of the things I teach my clients, I teach them in coaching, I write about it in the books on this podcast constantly, is like, you have to hold yourself to a standard. You have to become the person that you're capable of being. You owe it to yourself, your family, your community, your church, your love that, your life, the world, and you have the ability, the Matrix is my favorite movie of all time. Neo, also the one has the ability to change the world forever. We all have the ability to be the one; the one doesn't necessarily mean you have to be on a mic or standing on stages or building giant businesses. It's like, can you just love yourself? Can you be the person in the generational trauma? Can you create the change? Can you ultimately step into the person that you're capable of being by not negotiating with yourself? By not playing the game. I've said this 10,000 times on the show, so maybe it'll stick this time for someone who might have heard it but not paid attention. The reality is I had to ask myself the hardest question any human can ask themselves, what are you willing to do to have the life that you want to have? My answer was no excuses, just results. And I meant it, for 13 years I've walked that path and that's the only way it changes. My friend, we're gonna have to go deeper on this, for sure I'll have you back. But before I ask you my last question, please tell everyone where they can find you and learn more about you.

Dee: Yeah. So, I'm not huge on social media just ‘cuz I like to live in the presence, but I'm realizing that my social media is my reach so they can find me on deefit_life on Instagram. And I also host women's events and that is, sheleads_ as well. So, both of those platforms are where I'm at right now and that's where I like to be contacted, that'd be the best one.

Michael: Amazing! And we'll put the links in the show notes. Guys, go to thinkunbrokenpodcast.com. Look up this episode with Dee, there'll be this and more in the show notes. My last question for you, my friend, what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

Dee: Means to persevere and to push through, even in your darkest moments. It means to stand up and to listen to your heart's calling and to take action and to respond to your life. Don't let your life take you; you respond to it.                                                                                 

Michael: Beautifully said.

Dee: Thank you so much for having me.

Michael: Of course. Thank you for being here. Unbroken Nation, thank you so much for listening. Please like, subscribe, comment, share, tell a friend.

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And Until Next Time.

My Friends, Be Unbroken.

I'll See Ya.